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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 18, 2017 16:20:34 GMT -5
“Alias Billy the Kid”, by Willam V. Morrison and C. L. Sonnichsen provides the most information about Brushy Bill Roberts. Morrison compiled the information, and Sonnichsen wrote the book.
Sonnichsen provided some information about William V. Morrison. He said Morrison was a direct descendant of Ferdinand Maxwell. Ferdinand died in Lincoln County in 1879. William V. Morrison was the grandson of William M. Morrison and Evelyn Harriet Maxwell. Evelyn Harriet Maxwell was the daughter of Ferdinand Maxwell and Carolyn Matilda Allen, proving William V. Morrison was a direct descendant of Ferdinand Maxwell. William M. Morrison and Eveline Maxwell were married 6 January 1859 in Randolph County, Illinois.
Sonnichsen said Morrison was a graduate lawyer. That is not confirmed by any of these documents:
1977 Texas Death Certificate #74974. Morrison’s occupation was a retired real estate broker.
1940 Missouri census, St. Louis. Morrison’s occupation was wholesale and retail sales. He had completed 4 years of college.
1930 Missouri census, St. Louis. Morrison’s occupation was manager of a grocery store.
Morrison might have been a lawyer and unable to obtain suitable employment until after 1940. His career as an investigator apparently began sometime after 1940.
William V. Morrison (26 Nov 1906 - 30 Aug 1977)
Born in Illinois.
Father - Jarrett Morrison; buried in Calvary Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
Mother - Afra Link; buried in Calvary Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
Wife - Ruth Morrison
Daughters - Kathleen Morrison; Barbara June Morrison
Died in El Paso, Texas; heart attack
Occupation - retired real estate broker
Buried in Calvary Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
Joseph Jarrett Morrison married Afra Berttia Link in Randolph County, Illinois in 1905. Their oldest child was William V. Morrison.
1910: Age 3, single, lived in Kaskaskia, Randolph County, Illinois.
1920: Age 13, single, lived in Kaskaskia, Randolph County, Illinois.
1930: Age 23, married for 4 years to Ruth, lived in St. Louis, Missouri, manager of a grocery store.
1940: Age 33, married to Ruth, lived in St. Louis, Missouri, salesman wholesale and retail, of auto parts?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 19, 2017 20:59:05 GMT -5
More about William V. Morrison
Information from Obit of William V. Morrison, El Paso Herald Post, Wednesday, August 31, 1977
William V Morrison, resident of El Paso for 29 years.
Member of Historical Society in Missouri, Illinois, and El Paso
Real estate broker, 13 years of service (that was probably from about 1957 to 1970)
Bankruptcy Referee for the Unites States District Court, 16 years of service (that was probably from about 1941 to 1957)
His discovery that Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid was not mentioned in the obit.
There was no mention that he was a lawyer.
There was no mention that he had worked as an investigator for a legal firm.
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Post by mckinley412 on Apr 19, 2017 21:24:11 GMT -5
He was not a lawyer. He was an attorney/ paralegal.
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Post by mckinley412 on Apr 20, 2017 0:25:40 GMT -5
I just looked in Sonnichsen's book and the term graduate lawyer as far as I can tell from Google is that it means a person still in training or a person that has practiced at least 9 months. It is a little misleading but he did say he was a graduate lawyer and not a lawyer. Graduate lawyer I guess is also referred to as a graduate clerk. I already knew he wasn't a lawyer though. I always thought of him as an attorney because that's just the way I always heard him described as. Also a real estate agent I suppose. But technically from what I just looked up, I'm sure graduate lawyer was an acceptable term to use for someone that practiced law but was not an official lawyer. Who knows what a real lawyer would have done once they gotten ahold of the truth. Or even a wannabe lawyer. So congratulations TTT. You actually did make a valid point. Can we trust a lawyer? Thank you. I'll chew it over.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 20, 2017 11:05:44 GMT -5
mckinley412, Sonnichsen did say that Morrison was a graduate lawyer. There is an accepted definition of a lawyer. There is an accepted definition of an attorney. Sonnichsen's use of the term, "graduate lawyer" is ambiguous. Did he mean that Morrison had graduated from a law school rather than dropping out? Current requirements to become a lawyer include an undergraduate degree before admission to a law school for 3 years of study to earn a Juris Doctor degree. Lawyers typically have graduated from a law school. From www.lawyeredu.org/attorney-vs-lawyer.htmlA lawyer is someone who is learned and trained in law. Yet, they may not actually practice law. An attorney actually practices law in court whereas a lawyer may or may not. An attorney has passed the bar exam and has been approved to practice law in his jurisdiction. |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 20, 2017 18:30:38 GMT -5
There is evidence that William V Morrison was interested in history. His membership in the Missouri, Illinois and El Paso Historical Societies proves that. He collaborated with C. L. Sonnichsen on “Alias Billy the Kid”. El Paso newspaper articles show that Morrison and Sonnichsen were working on a book about Pancho Villa after the publication of “Alias Billy the Kid”..
Morrison’s research found in “Alias Billy the Kid” was limited to a few New Mexico records pertaining to Billy the Kid, alias William Bonney. Apparently Morrison believed Brushy Bill’s story that he was Billy the Kid, and made an effort to confirm his belief by soliciting affidavits from individuals who would swear that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. There is no evidence that Morrison questioned Brushy Bill’s story or made any effort to determine his true identity.
All information in “Alias Billy the Kid” prior to events described in Lincoln County are hearsay. They are not supported by facts, and are not research. All information in “Alias Billy the Kid” after July 14, 1881 are hearsay. They are not supported by facts, and are not research. The only exceptions are the names of Brushy Bill’s wives, and his brief ownership of land in Arkansas.
Over 30 years after the publication of “Alias Billy the Kid”, William A. Tunstill devoted several years searching for facts to support Brushy Bill’s story. He successfully identified Henry Oliver Roberts as the father of Martha Heath.
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Post by mckinley412 on Apr 20, 2017 21:51:33 GMT -5
Google definition of graduate lawyer. Then read all the definitions. None of them say a lawyer that graduated. Idk. I'm just saying. Graduate lawyer doesn't mean lawyer. But I still wouldn't trust them.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 20, 2017 23:54:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that legally, "hearsay" can be either factual or non-factual. The important question here isn't whether the information in "Alias Billy The Kid" is or is not "hearsay". The important question isn't even whether or not all the information before and after the time of the LCW is factual. The important question, I assert, is whether Brushy Bill's claim of being the one and only "Billy The Kid" was or was not factual. That question can not be answered by examining William Morrison's qualifications as a lawyer or by picking apart all the statements allegedly made by Brushy. Again, it is quite possible that the book contains a great deal of hearsay "and" falsehoods while at the same time being possible that Brushy Bill Roberts, William H. Bonney, Henry McCarty, Oliver L. Roberts and Billy The Kid were all one and the same person. I do so wish there could be proof one way or the other but that would take conclusive DNA testing and I don't think it will ever happen.
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Post by moescupcakes on Apr 11, 2019 14:14:54 GMT -5
Is the daughter of Wm V Morrison still alive, or when did she die?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 11, 2019 15:25:20 GMT -5
Is the daughter of Wm V Morrison still alive, or when did she die? William V Morrison had 2 daughters. Kathleen Marie Morrison Gatti died 4 Feb 2004 and is buried in Gate of Heaven Cemetery, Albuquerque, NM. Barbara June Morrison was born 19 Feb 1930. She married Oliver Walter Kuchler in 1950. They were divorced in El Paso in 1974. I believe she now 89. and lives in Las Cruces, NM. |
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Post by CP on Sept 11, 2021 10:04:55 GMT -5
I won't defend or criticize Morrison's qualifications, but, I do agree he was no college educated historian. Consider this though, Gale Cooper, who is an author and does stand against any theories outside of the accepted BTK story is a psychiatrist. Not to say she is not well versed on BTK in her own right, I don't think she is formally schooled as a historian. It wasn't my impression Bob Boze Bell or Drew Gomber are either, and they are experts on the BTK history. I may disagree with these three on some points, especially over the events of July 14th, but they are all well versed in aspects of western history. So, I don't know how important Morrison's education might be when you him hold up against our modern BTK experts and researchers.
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Post by texas truth teller on Sept 11, 2021 10:42:33 GMT -5
I won't defend or criticize Morrison's qualifications, but, I do agree he was no college educated historian. Consider this though, Gale Cooper, who is an author and does stand against any theories outside of the accepted BTK story is a psychiatrist. Not to say she is not well versed on BTK in her own right, I don't think she is formally schooled as a historian. It wasn't my impression Bob Boze Bell or Drew Gomber are either, and they are experts on the BTK history. I may disagree with these three on some points, especially over the events of July 14th, but they are all well versed in aspects of western history. So, I don't know how important Morrison's education might be when you him hold up against our modern BTK experts and researchers. CP, Many who are described as "historians" are actually amateur historians. "The basic qualification for a professional historian is a postgraduate degree in history. With an MA in history, you can become a teacher and researcher or enter a field of work related to history, such as archive or museum work." |
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Post by CP on Sept 11, 2021 19:07:21 GMT -5
TTT,
Thanks for the info, I thought that it may be that way, with a some historians being amateur. It's a lot to sort through with anything history, some people that have a degree are well versed and some are not despite having qualifications, then some amateurs have really good research and info, although some are way out there, hard to get to the truth sometimes.
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Post by texas truth teller on Sept 11, 2021 20:58:45 GMT -5
TTT, Thanks for the info, I thought that it may be that way, with a some historians being amateur. It's a lot to sort through with anything history, some people that have a degree are well versed and some are not despite having qualifications, then some amateurs have really good research and info, although some are way out there, hard to get to the truth sometimes. CP, That is an excellent summation. |
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Post by chivato88 on Sept 12, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -5
I won't defend or criticize Morrison's qualifications, but, I do agree he was no college educated historian. Consider this though, Gale Cooper, who is an author and does stand against any theories outside of the accepted BTK story is a psychiatrist. Not to say she is not well versed on BTK in her own right, I don't think she is formally schooled as a historian. It wasn't my impression Bob Boze Bell or Drew Gomber are either, and they are experts on the BTK history. I may disagree with these three on some points, especially over the events of July 14th, but they are all well versed in aspects of western history. So, I don't know how important Morrison's education might be when you him hold up against our modern BTK experts and researchers. Gale Cooper is anti Brushy militant and called Brushy a crazy old fool quite a few times like many others status quo people. I dont agree with everything she writes but she know how to write a good book. " The Santa Fe ring vs Billy the Kid" is one of them, and I recommend it. Coming back to her calling Brushy and old fool... Why did she wrote a book of 888 pages about it if she s so convinced he was a fraud?? |
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