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Post by mckinley412 on Mar 19, 2017 21:00:26 GMT -5
On page 184 of Burn's book Paulita states that her and Pete were both there when Pat asked where Billy was and that Pete gave her a look so that she wouldn't answer but that she and Pete both knew where he was and Pete didn't want to embarrass Garrett. Was this a cover-up to protect a woman's reputation or was it to protect Pat's or both? She said Pat was closely related to this woman by marriage. His first wife was Juanita Gutierrez, and his second wife was Apolinaria Gutierrez. Paulita and/or Burns did not name the woman. Could it have been Pat's wife? or a sister? How was Celsa related?
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Post by clydec on Mar 20, 2017 5:56:16 GMT -5
I believe that Celsa was Apolinaria's sister. So, she would have been Pat's sister in law.
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Post by aaron0515 on Jan 11, 2020 1:59:07 GMT -5
On page 184 of Burn's book Paulita states that her and Pete were both there when Pat asked where Billy was and that Pete gave her a look so that she wouldn't answer but that she and Pete both knew where he was and Pete didn't want to embarrass Garrett. Was this a cover-up to protect a woman's reputation or was it to protect Pat's or both? She said Pat was closely related to this woman by marriage. His first wife was Juanita Gutierrez, and his second wife was Apolinaria Gutierrez. Paulita and/or Burns did not name the woman. Could it have been Pat's wife? or a sister? How was Celsa related? |
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Post by aaron0515 on Jan 11, 2020 2:10:42 GMT -5
On page 184 of Burn's book Paulita states that her and Pete were both there when Pat asked where Billy was and that Pete gave her a look so that she wouldn't answer but that she and Pete both knew where he was and Pete didn't want to embarrass Garrett. Was this a cover-up to protect a woman's reputation or was it to protect Pat's or both? She said Pat was closely related to this woman by marriage. His first wife was Juanita Gutierrez, and his second wife was Apolinaria Gutierrez. Paulita and/or Burns did not name the woman. Could it have been Pat's wife? or a sister? How was Celsa related? Who was Garrett married to at the time of the alleged shooting, and where was she living at the time? Fort Summer.... Lincoln? The "not wanting to embarrass Garrett" would seem more feesible if it were Garrett's wife that BTK was with. Times may have been much different back then, but I think that BTK being with Garrett's sister in-law doesn't warrant keeping it a secret from Garrett since they all really knew a lot of the same people and it wouldn't be unlikely for BTK to be with her. Plus, if Pete really did send notice to Garrett that BTK would be in Ft Sumner, why would it matter to keep that a secret from Garrett, he ultimately would have been helping Garrett kill him that night. With it being such a small community, rumors would have been flying around about who BTK was with and Garrett would have been bound to know anyways. |
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Post by mckinley412 on Jan 13, 2020 7:12:20 GMT -5
go with it. find out the answers. it sounds good. it happened close to a census so maybe you can find something there. Celsa was a sister of Apol but I never considered Billy was sleeping with Pat's wife. but. There will always be more to discover. Internet makes it easier. check it all out. obviously there is something always missing when it comes to this history. puzzle pieces.
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