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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 4, 2017 23:39:52 GMT -5
One of the guys, maybe not Joe but one grandson of somebody claimed Billy wrote letters but that he died in Mexico. Town that started with P. I can't ever find the YouTube video again.
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Post by clydec on Sept 5, 2017 20:33:01 GMT -5
Well, to tell you the truth Wayne, I had a little conversation with Steve Sederwall about this and he knows Joe Salazar and it was Steve that informed me that Joe had said that Brushy did visit with Yginio in 1926 or 27 and that Yginio loaned brushy a horse and Brushy rode out to White Oaks. I will try and confirm this with Steve again, but that's where I originally heard it and Brushy also mentioned something similar in the lost interviews.
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Post by clydec on Sept 6, 2017 8:16:25 GMT -5
I spoke to Steve Wayne and he confirmed that Brushy did visit with Yginio twice before Yginio died, but he couldn't remember if Joe Salazar believed Brushy was the kid or not. Here is something I read on another brushy bill site,
"Yginio Salazar was considered by most to of been the closest ally to Billy The Kid of all his friends. However, Salazar claimed some years after Billy The Kid's alleged death in Fort Sumner he received a letter from the outlaw himself saying that Garrett had killed the wrong man, and that he had escaped. Salazar never did believe that The Kid was killed to begin with, claiming that it was common knowledge in the area that someone or something else was buried in the grave said to be Billy. It must be noted that decades after the fact, Brushy Bill Roberts (long before ever meeting Morrison) came to see Salazar. Yginio's grandson Joe swore that "William Henry Roberts" (Brushy Bill) came to visit his grandfather in 1932 and 1948".
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 7, 2017 11:38:57 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense. Thanks so much for sharing all that. I wish we could get Joe Salazar to join our forum, now that would be awesome indeed.
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Post by clydec on Sept 7, 2017 11:44:40 GMT -5
Yea, that would be great. Joe also told Steve that Yginio's ghost still haunts the house where he use to live. I am not sure how old Joe is now, but he must be getting up there in age.
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 8, 2017 9:32:04 GMT -5
If Joe Salazar could provide undeniable evidence that Yginio met with Brushy Bill after 1881 and believed him to be Billy The Kid then there could be no more denying of Brushy's true identity. There is just no way anyone could claim that Yginio Salazar didn't know the real Billy from an impostor. No way.
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Post by clydec on Sept 8, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
Exactly Wayne. it's too bad Yginio was not alive when Brushy and Morrison came back in 1949, because I believe all this argument over Brushy's identity would be a mute point. When Brushy visited in 49 and found out that Yginio was dead, he cried like a baby according to Joe Salazar.
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Post by clydec on Sept 8, 2017 9:53:29 GMT -5
I would love to contact Joe Salazar, but not sure how to do so. Maybe I will ask Steve Sederwall about that.
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Post by susan on Sept 9, 2017 19:35:41 GMT -5
My question is that Jesse Evans was arrested in Elk City, Kansas on June 26 1871 with his parents for passing counterfeit money. Do you think he was using an alias at that time? I still am a little confused as to why Morrison would have used Jesse Evans name instead of Campbell. I can definitely understand where Jesse Evans could have been confused with Jesse James. I still cannot understand why someone has not found where Jesse Evans went after being released from prison. If he had a wife and children you would think the truth would be uncovered. Do you think Evans used the names Hines and Campbell?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 16, 2017 19:54:05 GMT -5
On page 32 of “Alias Billy the Kid”, there are three sentences near the middle of a long paragraph. The entire paragraph is enclosed in quotation marks, indicating that these are the words of Brushy Bill. These are the sentences:
"You know as well as I do that they have no proof on record that Billy the Kid was born in New York. Neither do they have any proof that Billy the Kid is dead. They will never find any record that he was born in New York."
Why is Brushy Bill challenging New York as the birth place of Billy the Kid? Could he have read ”The Saga of Billy the Kid”, by Noble, and “The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid" by Garrett? Both of them identified the birth place of Billy the Kid as New York. Did Brushy Bill feel it was necessary to defend his story that he was born near Buffalo Gap, Texas?
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 17, 2017 10:16:53 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has suggested that Brushy never read books about Billy The kid or had books read to him. If he truly was Billy The Kid he certainly would have wanted to know what had been written about him. And if he truly was born in the area of Buffalo Gap then he would want to correct that misinformation found in the books. Therefore, his desire to do that doesn't challenge his claim. In fact it may very well support it. Likewise, if he said things that agreed with Burns' and Garrett's books and those things were factually correct, you can't jump up and down shouting "see, he just learned it from the books". No! He lived it, and the books got it right.
In other words, now that you've had to acknowledge he knew some things the books did not, you turn around and suggest that his statements that differ from the books prove he was not Billy. Come, come now. You're beginning to appear desperate here.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 18, 2017 22:58:50 GMT -5
"Come, come now. You're beginning to appear desperate here."
Desperate? I'm not the one who has been searching for many years for any convincing evidence that Billy the Kid was alive after 1882, or for any convincing evidence that Brushy Bill's story was credible.
"In other words, now that you've had to acknowledge he knew some things the books did not, you turn around and suggest that his statements that differ from the books prove he was not Billy."
Acknowledge? Your word, not mine. I will agree that Brushy Bill said many things the books not found in the books. Knowing and saying are entirely different. Brushy Bill aka Oliver P. Roberts was in diapers in Arkansas during the Lincoln County war.
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 19, 2017 20:11:22 GMT -5
"I'm not the one who has been searching for many years for any convincing evidence that Billy the Kid was alive after 1882, or for any convincing evidence that Brushy Bill's story was credible."
No, you're the one who has spent years trying, yet have failed to prove Brushy was a fraud. If you're so certain he was not Billy then why spend so much time and effort to prove it? Why do you care if there are others who believe Brushy? If his story was so obviously a big lie, then why is it you seem so determined to disprove it? That sounds like the description of "desperation" to me. But please keep trying. Your opposition to what the majority of folks on this board believe is a big factor in helping to keep everyone interested.
BTW, I'm not searching for convincing evidence Billy the Kid was alive after 1882 because I believe that evidence already exists.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 24, 2017 22:55:37 GMT -5
Brushy’s story is entertaining but not supported by credible, verifiable facts. Explanations do not change any facts which contradict Brushy Bill’s story. 1. A coroners jury report dated 15 July 1881 named Pat Garrett as the killer of William Bonney. 2. Brushy Bill registered for the WWI draft as Oliver Pleasant Roberts. 3, Brushy Bill said he was born 26 August 1879 on his WWI registration card, the same day and month that Oliver P. Roberts was born. His parents, Henry O. and Elizabeth Roberts lived in the same town, Arkinda, Arkansas, the same place that Brushy Bill listed on his registration card as his residence. 4. Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson, was a member of their household in the 1880 and 1900 census. 5. O. P. Roberts married Anna Lee 11 July 1910 in Van Zandt County, Texas, and his parents, Henry O. Roberts and wife, lived in the same county. 6. Oliver Roberts married Mollie Brown 21 August 1912 in Van Zandt County. 7. Brushy Bill Roberts was recorded as Oliver P. Roberts in the 1920 census of Van Zandt County. 8. Brushy Bill Roberts was recorded as Oliver Roberts in the 1930 census of Van Zandt County. 9. The birth year of Oliver P. Roberts was lasted as 1879 or 1880 in the 1880, 1900, and 1910 census records. The birth year of Brushy Bill was listed as 1878 or 1879 in the WWI census record, and the 1920 and 1930 census records. In the 1940 census, his reported birth year was about 1870, approximately the same year (1868) that appeared on his death certificate and original cemetery marker.
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 24, 2017 23:42:02 GMT -5
Yes, I'm well aware of all those points. None of which offer any conclusive proof Brushy was not BTK.
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