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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 15, 2016 19:57:56 GMT -5
So if he was so good at memorizing the book "Saga of Billy The Kid", why did he make so many statements that contradicted it?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 15, 2016 21:01:05 GMT -5
Why did he make so many statements that closely followed descriptions found in "Saga of Billy The Kid"?
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Post by mckinley412 on Aug 16, 2016 1:09:24 GMT -5
Because Saga of Billy the Kid was a true story. Because Walter Noble Burns did research before he wrote the book and got a lot of the details right. Sometimes he would make a mistake and say the Kid killed Bernstein or something and those are the parts Brushy corrected. He could have picked out all the details out of Garrett's book which claimed to be the authentic story from the man who knew him but then those details wouldn't have been true.
"You ever heard of a coydog, Poe? Half common dog, half coyote. You feed one he keeps coming around. No fear of man. The Kid's a coydog." -Young Guns 2
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Post by jgaines on Aug 18, 2016 11:36:58 GMT -5
Has anyone considered the possibility that Brushy's claim of Ollie running away at a much earlier date than the more likely scenario of him vanishing around 1910 could be because Brushy killed him and was trying to cover it up ? In this scenario, not saying he was a murderer, but things happen that you wish wouldn't have happened. If you're taking someone's identity, having first hand knowledge that they are certainly not coming back would be advantageous.
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Post by Nik Oak on Aug 18, 2016 12:33:37 GMT -5
I've thought of this myself, but didn't like to say it. Brushy could have found someone who looked like him and cynically killed him in order to take his identity. It's not a nice thing to concider , but certainly a possibility.
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Post by mckinley412 on Aug 20, 2016 0:20:17 GMT -5
I'm not trying to swarm this board with my comments and I hold back as much as possible but there hasn't been a lot of action lately (today) so I'll chime in and MR. Land can edit posts as needed. I've actually read such great info on this site that he could make a book out of this site alone. The debates over whether it was Wayte or French I thought were fantastic. If you go online (which you already are) and read the obituaries of Billy the Kid you will see he really wasn't the murdering type, and also read Cooper's Writings, Words and Wits which paints a good picture of his real personality and at the end she talks about Brushy which if you read between the lines you can see that even Cooper would have to admit that Brushy could be Billy if Cooper knew what Brushy actually said. Maybe if the Billy Barlow guy was Texas Cattle Detective or maybe if him and Garrett were friends they concocted some scheme but it really never fits in my opinion. I think one thing Brushy did well is not saying that him and Garrett concocted a scheme because I really think Garrett was trying to capture or kill him. Had he told it a different way it might not be as believable as the shootout on July 15th when you look at the facts. Since there is no report of many shots being fired it makes his story unbelievable. He said Lobato was there that night, many debunkers quote an interview where Lobato says he wasn't there,,, but then later he did admit he was there. This thread was created to gather info about JH Roberts, but since we may not find many more records of JH Roberts and it started getting into weird ideas how about this: Billy was impotent. He wasn't afraid of death because he couldn't live the life he wanted to. He had many girlfriends but no one ever claims to have slept with him. Then comes the supposed fraud Oliver P. Roberts. He never had any kids either. Why? Either he was busy fighting wars and not settling down or maybe his wives were too old, but then why didn't he have some before when he was just a farmer? Why put your life on the line so many times when you could just settle down with a good woman since so many liked him. As easy as it was for Billy or Brushy to get women you'd think they/he would have had a kid. But neither one did that we know of. There wasn't birth control and condums back then. Why do these two men have every single damned thing in common???
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 20, 2016 3:22:13 GMT -5
Please don't hold back. Your posts have gone a long way toward keeping the board busy and interesting. I always enjoy reading your comments. And most of the time, I agree with everything you say. That is certainly true of this post above. I especially appreciated your comments about Lobato. That has long been a strong point in Brushy's favor, I believe. I believe it is a fact Lobato was in Ft. Sumner that night yet in earlier interviews he claimed he wasn't there. Why? I believe it was because he didn't want to be discovered as aiding and abetting the escape of a convicted killer. And I agree strongly with your final pointed question. Brushy looked more like the legendary tintype photo of Billy than any of the other photos that have surfaced claiming to be him. They both had a higher pitched voice, loved to dance, were ambidextrous, had identical hands, identical overall stature and posture, and Brushy knew things an impostor would not likely have known. And some will laugh at this comment but I think a strong reason to believe Brushy was Billy is simply that "he said he was." Because making such a claim put him in serious danger of being thrown in prison or even being executed for murder. You don't do that unless you have an awfully good reason. You don't do that for publicity or because you seek fame and fortune. It just doesn't make sense unless he really was Billy The Kid.
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Post by clydec on Aug 20, 2016 12:57:02 GMT -5
I agree Wayne. I also think that when Morrisson brought Brushy to the Governers office Brushy could have answered all their questions, but he realized as soon as he walked in that he was being bushwhacked again and decided not to cooperate with them. What do you think would have happened if he answered all their questions and they believed he was the kid? There is no statute of limitations on murder!
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 17, 2018 17:37:48 GMT -5
To whom it may concern:
I have debunked this. It appears her name was Mary Ann Cummings. I will tear through Brushy's story like a swift wind that sweeps through the Texas plains. I shall only allow this old phony to waste a little bit more of my time and then I will bury his story along with his ghost and this time I will make sure they stay buried.
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