Official request for Death Certificate

[mckinley412]

lintvkrqe.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/stahl-pleading.pdf        This is alleged proof in the pudding that Billie Kid died on July 15th 1881.  It brings up many unanswered questions though, however I admit I question everything anyway.  For example, take this quote from Milnor Rudolph, this makes me go: "Umm...are you worried that someone is going to question whose body you examined.  Just say The Kid is dead, or even say 'It is true the Kid is dead, but . . . 'It is true the Kid is dead, I know, it was for sure his body and not somebody elses.'  ( Sounds suspicious to me, I paraphrased some, I'll post clip of document.)

[DRock]

I agree. There is a word for statements like that. "It is true, it was for sure his body and not somebody else"
I can't remember what it's called but it is along the lines of when someone tells you "I'm not trying to be mean or
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings" That is exactly what they are trying to do. What I gather from the above statements
is that it is not true that the Kid is dead and I know for sure that this is not his body.

[mckinley412]

And I should have mentioned that the link I posted will take you to the official request for a death certificate and there we can read the best reasons given for why one should believe the Kid was killed in 1881, even though I wasn't convinced by the time I got done reading it, but it is a good source with interesting information. It looks like original source material has been provided in the footnotes, kind of. By the end of the thing it seems like they are clutching for straws and trying to overwhelm the court with quantity of info instead of quality of info. Many of the things listed were things you could have listed an exact opposite argument to so I wish they could have condensed it down just to the nitty gritty. There is some good stuff in there that I was not aware of and although some of it didn't help the argument between the death controversy it was still good stuff to read. Worth a couple reads.

[ruidosoman]

Jul 15, 2016 14:31:19 GMT -5 DRock said:

I agree. There is a word for statements like that. "It is true, it was for sure his body and not somebody else"
I can't remember what it's called but it is along the lines of when someone tells you "I'm not trying to be mean or
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings" That is exactly what they are trying to do. What I gather from the above statements
is that it is not true that the Kid is dead and I know for sure that this is not his body.

"I'm not trying to be mean or I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, That is exactly what they are trying to do..."

I disagree with that. There have been many, many times that I have made a statement of fact to my wife, kids, friends, siblings....etc....that I did not want to say, but they needed to hear and they needed to know in order to prevent much more damaging event or situation from happening or continuing to happen to either themselves, others or to me.

[mckinley412]

I think he was just trying to give a quick example off the top of his head, many things aren't true 100 percent of the time. It's like when people start out a sentence with, "With all due respect...." and they flat out insult you. Also it should be added that someone has gone on record as saying Milnor Rudolph was not present to view the body. I forget who wrote it, Paco Anaya, Manuel Taylor, one of the guys...

[David Hall]

There was never a death certificate, just as there is no original Coroner's report. All we have from Pat Garrett is---"I told you so." I believe Garrett shot Billy, but his last name was Barlow