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Post by clydec on Oct 15, 2015 12:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by Bird43 on Oct 15, 2015 16:48:52 GMT -5
I've been waiting for someone to put that up there and I'm looking forward to Wayne's response! Great dialogue on this board....unfortunately for my employer I think I wasted two days reading through them haha! Good stuff
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 15, 2015 23:24:21 GMT -5
I have blown up the face in the photo and compared it to Brushy's photo. The shape of the ears and the width of the jaw line and chin shape are all a near perfect match. I say this because those three features are the only things about the Dedrick Tintype compared to Brushy's face that are questionable. In that famous photo, Billy's right earlobe appears larger/wider than Brushy's, his jawline is a bit more narrow and the chin a bit more pointed. I've always thought those discrepancies were explainable in that the head brace might have been pushing his ear out and the open mouth is affecting the perceived width of the jawline and the chin shape.
So in this new photo we have a picture of Billy without the head brace, and with the mouth closed. And voila! Those discrepancies are not there!!! The match is near perfect.
I'll post my comparison in a few days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 13:22:55 GMT -5
When I heard of this... it made me wonder if there is any tapes, written records, notes, etc. concerning this event.
If Brushy was the Kid, and the Kid was indeed in that photograph, then certainly Brushy would of mentioned being at some sort of celebration and playing crochet with members of the Regulators?
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 19, 2015 11:32:27 GMT -5
I did a new and very detailed tracing of the Dedrick tintype and overlaid an exact copy on the new Croquet photo and the photo of Brushy age 27. Of course the camera angles are different. But I was curious if the hat was the same size. It isn't shown here but if you reposition the new photo so that the hat is lower down, it does match including the width of the brim and the height of the crown. In the new photo I think Billy's face is turned a bit more to the side making it look wider. But I think all three of these are photos of the same man. Thought I'd share the result. I used very thin red lines for the sake of precision so you may need to zoom in to see them. If you're a member of the board and logged in, you can click the photo and see a much larger version.  |
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Post by madamdollie on Jan 16, 2016 22:59:59 GMT -5
Also, if you check out the sweater in both photos of Billy, they're the same sweater. The stance is the same (position of his hips), it must have been his habit to take that stance. Also, the position of his hand (the way he held it), same in both.
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Post by montanas on Feb 16, 2016 9:52:18 GMT -5
The sweater sure has some similarities ( White trim down where it buttons) but it also has white stripes on the upper sleeves near the shoulder whereas the sweater in the most familiar photo of billy has no white rings. Though I will say that on one arm it does look like there may be a stripe that is really dirty. Still believe its the same person
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Post by montanas on Nov 26, 2019 16:54:52 GMT -5
The one facial thing that convinces me that brushy and billy were one and the same is the eyebrows. One is cocked and the other is not. I believe when each photo is shown in its properly switched position, they are even on the same side. I just cannot imagine this to be a coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 14:07:48 GMT -5
The one facial thing that convinces me that brushy and billy were one and the same is the eyebrows. One is cocked and the other is not. I believe when each photo is shown in its properly switched position, they are even on the same side. I just cannot imagine this to be a coincidence. Always bare in mind that no matter how unlikely it seems, there are indeed people who are practically identical to people they're not even related to. I'm reminded of persons like Perkin Warbeck or Lambert Simnel who claimed to be the younger of the Princes in the Tower. Warbeck, especially, had the backing of the Princes aunt saying that he was indeed the Prince when in all likelihood he wasn't. Maybe a more recent example is that of Irene Craigmile Bolman, who many people thought (and some still think) was Amelia Earhart. She certainly was a dead ringer for the long lost aviator. Anna Anderson, is probably the most famous person thought to be somebody they weren't. She was said to be Anastasia. She seemingly knew things nobody else knew and basically looked the part. But she wasn't as DNA test results in 2007 proved. In my own lifetime, I've been surprised to have seen men look very much like myself at least from a side glance or some distance. When I was a little boy my sister and cousins swore some other boy was me because he looked exactly like me and was even fishing with the exact same Snoopy fishing pole I had, until they got closer. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Dec 1, 2019 20:30:35 GMT -5
I do believe Brushy had a number of physical traits that were the same as in the BTK tintype. However, if that was the only evidence in his favor I wouldn't believe his story on just the appearance. If he knew all the trivia about the LCW but "did not" look so much like Billy I would have to disbelieve him. I tend to believe he was Billy because I've not seen or heard about anything that would convince me otherwise. Rather, I see and hear too many things to be just coincidental similarities.
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Post by kerry on Dec 19, 2019 1:35:29 GMT -5
now we have several photos of BTK...its clear in all of them he was genuinely unphotogenic due to his fair complexion whereas others photograghed with him are much clearly defined...such a susan mcsween and sally chisum standing the same distance approx.from camera as billy in the croquet photo..for so long these time capsules have survived in total obscurity until the sensational sale of the fort sumner tin type triggered a
new man hunt for BTK...as these photos have brought him alive today -so did Brushy's revelations in 1950..
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Post by leeb on Dec 29, 2019 9:08:28 GMT -5
now we have several photos of BTK...its clear in all of them he was genuinely unphotogenic due to his fair complexion whereas others photograghed with him are much clearly defined...such a susan mcsween and sally chisum standing the same distance approx.from camera as billy in the croquet photo..for so long these time capsules have survived in total obscurity until the sensational sale of the fort sumner tin type triggered a new man hunt for BTK...as these photos have brought him alive today -so did Brushy's revelations in 1950.. there is only one picture of the kid |
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Post by kerry on Dec 31, 2019 21:01:13 GMT -5
It would be very special if the only tin type was of BTK on the avenue outside Beaver Smith's saloon in Old Fort Sumner - in his battle dress - however these boys frequented hotels in Las Vegas N.Mexico and loved to dress up and pose for the camera...the itinerant cameramen were ubiquitous - even showing up for a croquet game on a ranch miles from Lincoln in the middle of the LCW !
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