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Post by Wayne Land on May 24, 2010 11:33:06 GMT -5
I appreciate your frustration and I'm not sure how to help alleviate it. But first of all, no, he didn't tell me any huge "smoking gun" type secrets discovered in his investigation. I don't even know if he found any so called "proof" of anything at all. He absolutely believes Billy wasn't killed in 1881, but he didn't say he'd found proof of that. I believe it too and I don't have any proof. His statement to me was that he had no doubt Billy lived beyond 1881. The matching of the DNA from the bench to John Miller's DNA ran into an obstacle (scientific in nature) and there's just no money to proceed any further. Steve did say he would give me everything he'd found if I could provide the means to pursue it further.
I have also learned that the last effort to get permission to exhume Brushy and acquire some DNA failed largely because it was discovered the real grave is likely not located where the marker is, but actually is somewhere in the back of the cemetery. The person at the hearing who claimed to be related and runs a museum in Hamilton, TX allegedly knows there is no body at the grave site marked as Brushy's and objected to the exhumation in order to prevent that becoming public knowledge. I can't see how any DNA efforts could proceed when we don't know exactly where the body in Ft. Sumner is buried, or Brushy's body, or Catherine McCarty/Antrim's body.
Unfortunately, very unfortunately, DNA testing to find the truth is probably as I said earlier "a dead horse".
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Post by Wayne Land on May 24, 2010 13:22:08 GMT -5
Check out the link below. I just found it at Lucas Speer's website but his home page has no link to it. Very, very interesting but no real answers. Mr. Sederwall is either holding something back or he is trying very hard to make it look like he is. He obviously didn't share all he found with me either. www.angelfire.com/nm/boybanditking/investigation.html |
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Post by mwb on May 25, 2010 7:52:29 GMT -5
I had stumbled across that article myself some time ago. Again, as with everything I've seen regarding this investigation, it's great buildup, but ultimately no payoff. I love the thing about finding a wow factor item, but of course can't say what it is, and leaving it for further investigators. Maybe that's true, but reminds me about your comment that he seems to be trying real hard.
I think I had also heard or read something about Brushy's grave really being somewhere else in the cemetary or at least originally somewhere else. I think the excuse about not wanting people to know that is very weak. I mean, who cares! Compared to the sensation it would cause to prove Brushy was Billy the Kid, that would not be a big deal. The cynic in me would say they don't want him exhumed because they have a good thing going and if he isn't the Kid that will be ruined.
Very frustrating because doing testing on Brushy would seem to be the easiest of all to accomplish.
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Post by Wayne Land on May 25, 2010 10:21:21 GMT -5
Testing Brushy would, I think, be the easiest way to "disprove" him at least. Since without exception, those who doubt him believe his true identity was that of Oliver Pleasant Roberts born 1879 and since great grandchildren descended from that family maternally still live today, all they'd have to do would be to get mitochondrial DNA from Brushy and try to match it to Oliver P.'s sister's descendants. If Mary Elizabeth Ferguson, mother of Oliver P., has descendants whose DNA matches Brushy's then the case is closed. It would prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he really was Oliver Pleasant Roberts, born 1879 and not William H. Roberts, born 1859.
If, on the other hand, there was no match, then Brushy could not have been Oliver P. Roberts and many, many people would take a closer look at believing he was Billy The Kid. It wouldn't be proof, but it would lead many to accept the truth. I for one, would not accept that as hard proof he was Billy. You see, I have another theory. If I knew for a fact Brushy was not Oliver P. Roberts, I believe that still leaves the possibility that he really was Oliver "L" Roberts born in 1868 just as his original grave marker and death certificate indicate. Hard proof would be Brushy's mitochondrial DNA matching Catherine McCarty's. Since according to him, his mother and Catherine were half sisters born of the same mother, the mitochondrial DNA should match.
One more comment. That article about evidence being left undisturbed for future investigations really has me wondering. Did they perhaps find the gun embedded in the tree that Brushy described he left after his escape from Lincoln??? One person claimed to have located it but upon his return to the area to retrieve it he was unable to find it again. But he said the tree had grown around it making it necessary to cut the limbs away. If that is what Sederwall found then I could understand why he might want to leave it there for the time being. But I can't understand why he wouldn't tell anyone about it unless he just doesn't feel he has completely solved the puzzle and doesn't want to present inconclusive data that would only be torn apart by those who don't want to know the truth. Whereas, his findings would be taken more seriously if he divulged everything at one time, including the hard proof?
I know I want to believe what he says but I sure wish I knew more.
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Post by db on Sept 9, 2010 21:14:10 GMT -5
hello all ! just joined the forum... has anyone thought of raising funds the old fashioned way ?
has Mr. Sederwall ever mentioned how much money he might need to continue ? with today's techniques, it would be tragic not to continue, in my honest opinion. I've been intrigued by Billy's saga since I was 12. I've read anything I could find pertaining to this subject since that time. I have to say that I understand why some people wouldn't want this mystery solved with "government money". but if a large group of interested individuals were to throw money together, I don't see how anyone could object. if we can dig up King Tut, Abe Lincoln, or Lee Harvey Oswald, why not Billy the Kid ?
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Post by mwb on Sept 10, 2010 8:41:15 GMT -5
Welcome, db! I haven't heard anyone say how much money might be needed. Regarding Brushy, I don't know if it's a matter of money as the Hamilton City Council rejected the request for exhumation. Speaking of Mr. Sederwell, there's a new website that I understand he is associated with that is supposed to reveal some of his findings. I've placed the link on another thread. I haven't looked at it in detail yet, but plan to today.
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Post by db on Sept 13, 2010 8:43:43 GMT -5
o.k. thanks for the reply. do you mean the site that wants a 25 dollar fee to view it ? "billythekidcase.com" ? doesn't seem to be there, now... it says "site not published"... hmmm....
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Post by mwb on Sept 13, 2010 12:54:56 GMT -5
db,
Yeah, the site is back down now, I guess. It was up for a while on Friday which is when I accessed it. I read what was available at that time and it was a sales pitch, basically. Stuff about how they used police procedure, etc. in the investigation and how they've discovered a bunch of new things. However, nothing was revealed and my understanding is that to access any of the good stuff, you must pay a $25.00 membership fee. The part talking about the fee was meant to be humorous, I'm sure, but it was kind of off-putting to me. It took the approach of if you're a latte sipping city boy that can't spare $25.00 to join us manly men, then get the hell out of here and good riddance. I'm thinking there isn't really anything there that can't be discussed on this or any other free website. If there's anything earth shattering (highly unlikely), it will get out pretty quickly once someone pays the $25.00 and finds out about it. I'm sure they can't swear anyone to silence or anything. I'm very sceptical.
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Post by mwb on Sept 15, 2010 8:21:55 GMT -5
Website is back up. There have been some additions and adjustments. The approach to the fee is now much better, in my opinion. I'd love to hear what others think.
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Post by db on Sept 15, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -5
seems like a cool site... hopefully, the 25 dollar fees will aid in further investigation.
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Post by bigtoppeewee on Jan 11, 2011 17:50:06 GMT -5
you should look at were steve and his wife live,maybe you would understand the real reason behind all of this.not many places to stay there should this bring tourism to Lincolon...sorry i was laughing to hard..and they have avery good rv park ther...mmm do you suppose that might have something to do with this.otherwise why would someone from missouri even care?and yes I DO know him.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 12, 2011 0:40:11 GMT -5
The site is very well researched and that means time and effort. Anyone who puts in that kind of time and effort deserves to be compensated. He has also put a great deal of personal risk and no doubt has invested his own financial resources. That sounds like someone who has a true and real conviction about what they're doing, financial rewards or not. The site is well worth the $25 and more. In my opinion.
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Post by Ben on May 7, 2013 5:09:59 GMT -5
Hi, im new to this thread, but im very interested in this subject. I've been reading alot of books, forums, records etc on Billy recently and find myself more engrossed as i look more into it.
I recently stumbled upon the dna results of the John Miller case which were 'inconclusive'.
Does any one know if there have been any more developements with the Steve Sederwall investigation?
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Post by Peekingsquatch on Jul 28, 2013 13:12:53 GMT -5
Wayne I see this thread is old, but I've been fascinated with this story for years too. I read your comment about the gun in a tree and was not aware of that. I googled the words "gun found in tree" and happened to come across a 73 Winchester that was embedded in a tree somewhere near Santa Fe that appears to be in a museum now. Could that be the one you are talking about?
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Post by Wayne Land on Jul 29, 2013 9:12:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the post but that wouldn't likely be the gun in question. The gun was, I think, a 44 hand gun and would have been somewhere between Lincoln and Ft. Sumner. Billy was on foot at the time he planted the gun in the tree and Santa Fe would have been a long way out of his way.
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