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Post by nmjames on Apr 14, 2024 14:29:55 GMT -5
Nosameer6,
The man standing on the far end of the Gallows Behind The Courthouse with his hands in his pockets is Sheriff John W. Owen. This picture was taken about 1907. I know his kin and may? even be kin to him. There is a story behind this picture. They were going to hang a man for murder but like Billy, the jail couldn't hold him. He got away.
You can look up John W. Owen and go to White Oaks New Mexico Goldrush and find this picture with others that I have copies of.
This has nothing to do with Billy the Kid.
nmjames
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 14, 2024 17:40:47 GMT -5
Nosameer6, The man standing on the far end of the Gallows Behind The Courthouse with his hands in his pockets is Sheriff John W. Owen. This picture was taken about 1907. I know his kin and may? even be kin to him. There is a story behind this picture. They were going to hang a man for murder but like Billy, the jail couldn't hold him. He got away. You can look up John W. Owen and go to White Oaks New Mexico Goldrush and find this picture with others that I have copies of. This has nothing to do with Billy the Kid. nmjames nmjames, It's pretty darn significant and absolutely relevant to the saga of Billy the Kid. The fact that it's all the same. Two escapes..From the same Masonic lodge. There's a much more complex narrative I believe at play here. Bigger than semantics.. I appreciate the knowledge. It's quite compelling. |
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Post by nmjames on Apr 15, 2024 5:39:37 GMT -5
Nosameer6,
Please explain how it's relevant to the saga of Billy the Kid. I'm going to check with in the next few days to see if the Masonic lodge was even in use when this happened. I don't remember.
Thanks,
nmjames
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 15, 2024 12:25:33 GMT -5
Who are you suggesting is in the photo on the Gallows. Nothing personal Nosameer6 but you seem to be very determined to identify individuals in photos even though there is zero provenance and a total absence of any evidence to support. It is a well documented fact that Pat Garrett was about 6 feet 5 inches tall. If you want to claim you've found him in a photo standing next to other men, and he doesn't appear at least a half foot taller than most of those men, then you are kidding yourself.
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 15, 2024 12:50:02 GMT -5
Who are you suggesting is in the photo on the Gallows. Nothing personal Nosameer6 but you seem to be very determined to identify individuals in photos even though there is zero provenance and a total absence of any evidence to support. It is a well documented fact that Pat Garrett was about 6 feet 5 inches tall. If you want to claim you've found him in a photo standing next to other men, and he doesn't appear at least a half foot taller than most of those men, then you are kidding yourself. With all due respect Land, it feels personal. What is your goal here..? My goal...here.. is to help. I respectfully request that minding the way you speak to the people who are willing to bend logic while entertaining you're ideas actually does work both ways.... Sir. |
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 15, 2024 12:51:14 GMT -5
Nosameer6, Please explain how it's relevant to the saga of Billy the Kid. I'm going to check with in the next few days to see if the Masonic lodge was even in use when this happened. I don't remember. Thanks, nmjames Yes, please do more of the work you are actually pretty darn good at. 😁 I think it would do you good to learn about Masons. |
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 15, 2024 14:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by Repka on Apr 15, 2024 14:13:49 GMT -5
supposedly BTK?..unbelievably amusing. |
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 15, 2024 14:27:49 GMT -5
supposedly BTK?..unbelievably amusing. The intellectual...⤴️ |
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Post by Repka on Apr 15, 2024 14:49:24 GMT -5
supposedly BTK?..unbelievably amusing. The intellectual...⤴️ yet another fly by night who posts constantly for about a couple of days then starts abusing people. Don't bother me seen it all before. There's some very good researchers who could advise you on this site. A little respect for people's hard work wouldn't go a miss. |
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Post by nmjames on Apr 15, 2024 15:33:28 GMT -5
Nosameer6,
I called the Old Lincoln Courthouse about an hour ago and had a good conversation with the Ranger there today. He said that he couldn't say for sure the dates, but the upstairs was used as a courthouse and the Masonic part was also used for different things. He said to check in the newspapers, and it would tell us when it was leased out and what for. I did look in the Roswell Daily Record for 1907 and found an article, Inspection Of Masonic Lodges. The old Lincoln Lodge was not on the list if that means anything.
I know the story of the murder that happened but couldn't remember the names. The Ranger knew and told me. I dug through my files and found a few newspaper articles on it. The Ranger told me that the prisoner was not held in the old courthouse. He was in the new jail behind the old courthouse.
To the statement that I should learn about Mason's, I know a little about them. Do you? I think I know where you may be going with the Mason connection but am not certain, so let me know.
Thanks,
nmjames
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Post by Nosameer6 on Apr 15, 2024 15:34:52 GMT -5
yet another fly by night who posts constantly for about a couple of days then starts abusing people. Don't bother me seen it all before. There's some very good researchers who could advise you on this site. A little respect for people's hard work wouldn't go a miss. Please don't make false accusations about me. The researchers here have my respect for there work not their candor. |
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Post by Repka on Apr 16, 2024 13:44:30 GMT -5
Nosameer6, Please explain how it's relevantthe saga of Billy the Kid. I'm going to check with in the next few days to see if the Masonic lodge was even in use when this happened. I don't remember. Thanks, nmjames Yes, please do more of the work you are actually pretty darn good at. 😁 I think it would do you good to learn about Masons. Got the Masons covered, let's see what you've got? |
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 16, 2024 19:02:25 GMT -5
I should let you all know that Nosameer6 is no longer a member of our message board. I apologize if this inconveniences any of our other members.
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