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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 28, 2012 12:29:41 GMT -5
My apologies to any member who's previous posts to the message board describing my separate website "Searching For The Kid", are no longer viewable. Since that website is no longer available, (due to Apple computer discontinuing their MobileMe service), I decided to delete that board and add this one. Since some of you had posted your own photo comparisons on the previous board, I thought a great theme for this new board would be to feature those comparisons. I tried to move everything from the old board that was photo comparison related but I ended up having to just clear it all out and start fresh.
If you'd like to repost any of your comparisons, please do and I apologize for the inconvenience. I plan to post some of my own photo comparisons here that were previously part of my website. And hopefully I'll be able to get the website up and running again on some other domain hosting service. I plan to do that as soon as possible, but I'm afraid it won't be right away.
Thanks.
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Post by brianthedude on Sept 30, 2012 12:13:19 GMT -5
Here's one I did recently, which surprised me quite a bit. I overlaid "Billy" from the Globe, Arizona photo with the photo said to be Brushy at age 28. I lined them up and proportionally resized them to be equal in scale, so that all of the facial features line up (or fail to). With no funny business, I was able to line up every feature of these men's faces, practically down to the pixel! The composite image: And the Globe Photo: With Brushy:
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Billy the Kid rides on
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Post by Billy the Kid rides on on Sept 30, 2012 15:03:33 GMT -5
Cool!
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 6, 2012 14:21:38 GMT -5
Brianthedude, those results are impressive. Thank you so much for posting that.
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Post by searcher64 on Jan 4, 2013 20:18:23 GMT -5
this is the same image as what i've been seeing. historians are looking for a 'name' expert to rubber stamp their photo conclusions, when it can be demonstrated at YOUR desktop. the deAragon, lueras, and dedrick images, and tanned seated young billy, as well as several others, and darn near all of brushy's later frontal photos have similar matching values. i like how you avoided 'morph' in the description. 'funny business' is a great analogy. as you, i used NO morphing in comparisons. to do so is a cheat which i noticed they DID do with the michael jackson / dave dave video.
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Post by mwb on Sept 3, 2013 7:30:55 GMT -5
Here's a link to a story on MSN today about a "new" photo of Billy. I don't think I've seen this one before..........http://now.msn.com/billy-the-kid-photo-reportedly-discovered-the-second-known-to-exist?ocid=ansnow11
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 18, 2014 17:52:42 GMT -5
For those who like to compare and those who are still not convinced Brushy's photos match Billy's tintype better than any other alleged BTK photos. Here's a comparison I recently did of (left to right) John Miller, Billy, Brushy, and another photo alleged to be John Miller/Billy. I sized these all so that the distance between the pupils of the eyes are the same on all photos, but even if I scaled some of them wrong, you will notice that no matter how large or small the photos are sized, there's only one that can be sized to match Billy and that one is the photo of Brushy.
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Post by MissyS on Sept 18, 2014 19:29:46 GMT -5
Wayne, It's very evident looking at Miller's arms that they're longer than Billy's, I haven't noticed that before now, Thanks
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Post by sherlockholmes on Sept 18, 2014 21:28:36 GMT -5
Wayne, nice comparison, you definitely prove the alleged Miller is BTK. One of the differences is that the alleged Miller is shorter in stature, but is he? It is obvious to me that if he was wearing boots, the photo would be nearly(or totally) identical to the authentic tintype. Another is the chin, it does certainly appear to be shorter (as do all of Brushy's photos) to BTK's, but if one measures from the bottom of the shadow on the alleged Miller's chin and it is measured against the top of the shadow on the authentic tintype to the top of the bottom lip and they are again nearly identical. My measurement is 3 1/2 mm on the photos you have posted. This accounts for the difference in lighting conditions and slightly different camera angles. All the lines line up with the tintype, any other minor differences are as a result of body positioning and tintype distortion. The Miller photo is not the correct 1 for this test. The head is positioned wrong. Try the one I will send you in my next post.
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Post by sherlockholmes on Sept 18, 2014 21:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by sherlockholmes on Sept 18, 2014 21:41:30 GMT -5
Wayne, either 1 of these would have been better. The 1st has less shadowing(even though the body is slightly turned) and should have been the preferred photo for the test not the 1 you used. Crop Isadora out of the photo and compare. I'll guess the results are drastically different than your 1st comparison. In fact it will be so different that 1 could argue 1 or the other photo is not John Miller at all. Let's find out. Wayne I love your photo comparisons.
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Post by sherlockholmes on Sept 19, 2014 23:29:28 GMT -5
Wayne, you can even do the line test with the 3 Miller pics only. Let's see how the line tests work out. I have known many people who are 90 years or older and not too long ago on 60 minutes they did a long segment on people 90 years + and I watched and realized that NOT 1 of the people I had ever known or seen (at 90 years +) walked as upright as Brushy.NOT 1. Please send me photos of people in that age group that stand completely erect. I have seen it for people in their 70's. Another thing about the photo comparison, you have sized the last 3 photos about right, and I can't make out the type of shoes Brushy is wearing, but BTK appears to be wearing boots with about a 2 inch heal on them and yet Brushy still appears to be slightly taller than the Kid. That defies logic, physics, and basic human anatomy. 1 gets shorter as they get older, not taller. I doubt there are many cases in human history where a man was taller or even the same height 70 years after the prime growth rate for 99.99% of the population of the Earth has already stopped. Please give me an explanation as to why gravity never took it's toll on Brushy when few who ever walked the Earth could. Your comparison ACTUALLY shows that Brushy was too tall to be BTK. You take the closeness of height to mean that proves something and I DO AGREE, it proves Brushy was not BTK. I know you will disagree so give me a reasonable explanation as to why Brushy is not shorter. As to what you emailed me about the nose being too long in 1 of the photos, I did a simple test. I looked in the mirror and do you know if you tilt your head backwards and compare the distance between the tip of the nose and the eyebrow at a point it can even appear(eyebrow) to be touching the tip of your nose, and that when the head is lowered the nose appears to be 2 to 3 inches longer. It's all about shadowing and angles Wayne. Under the assumption of what you told me, which 1 was not me? Was it when I tilted my head back or was it when I was facing that mirror at a 90 degree angle. If photos had been taken had been taken at points in the test the measurements from nose to eyebrow would all have been different. Only the 1 of me facing ahead could be me(due to the varying measurements). If that was the case as you explained to me then could you possibly help determine the name or names of the people involved?
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 20, 2014 8:46:51 GMT -5
OK Sherlock, I have to go to a performance this morning but sometime later today when I have some spare time, I will offer further clarification of why your arguments don't work. Stay tuned!
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Post by sherlockholmes on Sept 20, 2014 14:00:48 GMT -5
Wayne, before we debate this, look in your other email and tell me if you have received the photos I sent you, the ones I sent before that you said you hadn't received. Thanks
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 20, 2014 14:54:38 GMT -5
Yes I received those. The upper left photo is, in my opinion, not Billy and the lower left is not Pat Garrett.
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