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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 5, 2016 3:19:10 GMT -5
Lol. Sometimes you don't have to look the part if your a really great actor. I really couldn't imagine them getting some one better than Robert Duvall now that I think about it. Michael Keaton don't look like Bruce Wayne but he was a great you know because he's a good actor. There used to be This Old Man actor that looks just like the perfect Brushy Bill Roberts I'm sure somebody knows who I'm talking about he was never super-famous but he was in a bunch of movies. Maybe the Van Damme movie desert heat, I forget. I'm sure he's dead by now. This will be this Production Studios first movie, it's an independent film, I really hope they do a good job and it doesn't come out really cheesy, I never read anything that officially said Robert Duvall was going to be Brushy but I hope that's true because that will mean it's going to be something of good quality. I just wish I would have known about this sooner so I could have tried to give them some of my ideas. Casting is over and they already filmed some I guess in April and May
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Post by clydec on Sept 5, 2016 15:54:04 GMT -5
There is a country singer named Chris Janson who would make a good young Brushy/Billy.
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Post by MissyS on Sept 6, 2016 14:19:09 GMT -5
Wow, clydec, with a hat and scarf on him he would look like a good Billy, I do hope the producers pick a good Billy like him in that new movie.
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Post by clydec on Sept 6, 2016 20:59:15 GMT -5
I believe that Robert Duvall will make a great Brushy!
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Post by SBeck on Nov 5, 2016 15:47:58 GMT -5
mckinley412, one of my favorite movies of all time is the restored cut of Sam Peckinpah's "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid". Of course James Coburn and Kris Kristofferson are too old in comparison with the historic personalities. But especially Kristofferson manages to bring across the playfulness and "devil may care" attitude associated with the Kid. I also think that Pat Garrett is James Coburn's finest role. And the whole atmosphere of the film is brilliant. But I also love both "Young Guns" movies for what they are. They are very entertaining and Emilio Estevez simply "is" the Kid. And while both YG movies are still historically inaccurate, they introduced me nevertheless to the historic Kid. I had never realized how young he was when he died and that the lines between good and bad in this bloody conflict were really quite blurry. YG2 also introduced me to the rumor that the Kid may have survived - a scenario which I don't totally reject anymore, although I do not believe that Brushy was the Kid, even if Billy hadn't been killed by Garrett. But that doesn't diminish YG2 for me. Actually both movies - the Peckinpah movie and YG2 - show dynamics between Billy and Garrett which make it psychologically credible that Garrett might've wanted to let Billy off the hook, even if the older movie goes with the historically accepted version, where Billy is killed by Garrett. I think that Brushy's story (and maybe Frank Dalton's story should be included) deserves to be told. It's a greatly compelling story in it's own right - no matter if these guys were truly surviving legends or a pair of old conmen. The story is mindboggling no matter what. Robert Duvall is one of my favorite actors. He would be a much better Brushy than the guy who played him in YG2. That was unfortunately not a credible or even compelling portrait at all. Much more could've been made out of this. So, hopefully you're right and that movie will be made.
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Post by mckinley412 on Nov 6, 2016 16:41:12 GMT -5
I prefer the original cut of Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. I have studied this movie in depth and I am certain the first one was a better cut. It had the bookends (matching type scenes) at start and finish, it includes the punchline to the beginning joke, it didn't delete Ollinger's awesome line about taking billy for a walk thru hell on a spiderweb, and other reasons i forgot about. Kris looks like a young Brushy, and the movie is awesome. To me I do think Young Guns movies were the most accurate of all the movies. I understand they are making two hour movies and have to combine certain characters into one, make them all young, etc. I believe and I may be wrong that Baker's body was found on a pile of brushy and Mcloskey was found in the creek. Other than the Henry Hill fight and the jail break/mob scene at the beginning of Young Guns 2 which was required to get the characters that we already knew back to together again most of the fights actually happened but maybe not exactly as all of them were portrayed. Even with the scenes that seem fake you can find a hint of truth, Billy was rumored to have broken his friends out of the pit in the ground once. Escape out of chimney once. A mexican may have been been buried in his place (Chavez dies at the end). Pat shoots a guy from Tularosa after Billy gets shot and Brushy mentions being shot outside of Tularosa. Certain regulators have been mentioned as having horses shot out from under them and another picking them up. One person claimed that Billy switched clothing with a person who sounded like it could have been Carlyle as was done in the movie and that person was shot to death. There is a lot of info out there about Billy and who knows what was real but I believe the YG movies did a great job on putting it altogether in a sort of collage. Both movies written by the same person, John Fusco. I think they captured the essence of his story and they actually had the plot right in these movies compared to others. There are stories of Billy using his first paycheck to buy guns and holsters, Buckshot Roberts really did fire from the hip because he had a wound that would not allow him to raise one of his arms, there are many many things in these movies that are based on something real or real myth, whether the movie guys did them all on purpose I do not know. The killing of the two Mexicans for money Chisum owed Billy seems too cold blooded for Billy but still somewhat based on rumor. I still think it is possible Brushy was the Kid but why he said Dalton was James I do not know because the hairlines are completely different as is the known photos of Jesse compared to his death photo. Tomorrow I will order two sets of court martial records on the off chance that one of those guys may be Brushy in Cuba. I've read that Scurlock actually was a wannabe poet that plagiarized but I cannot verify that is true or where I read it. I think Young Guns is the closest thing we got so far but there are so many ways you could tell this story and I don't know why there aren't more movies to choose from. YG1, YG2, Peckinpah's, The Outlaw, and 1930 Billy the kid are my favorite. I'm still not sure who the old actor I was thinking of is that looks exactly like Brushy, he wasn't famous, and he's probably dead now, I don't think he was in the Van Damme movie I mentioned earlier but if you ever see him it will probably click. Stephen Ballwin would have made an excellent Billy in his younger days, he had a crazy smile that almost made you think of a bucktoothed Billy type. Just saw him in again '8 Seconds' the other night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 19:59:22 GMT -5
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