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Post by devorerd on Aug 19, 2021 13:18:30 GMT -5
An interesting point for discussion could be the dates. The telegram is dated 6th jan 1880. Sallie Chisum and William Robert weren't married until Jan 26th 1880, then moved to South Spring. Was Robert already in the employ of Chisum pre marriage? This info may be widely known, just asking to flesh out the story. Good point and thanks for the posting of the article. Not sure how long the courtship process was in those days? Additionally brushythekid mentioned that his real name was "George" so it poses the question of why didn't the correspondence say George? Did he go by his middle name?
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Post by chivato88 on Aug 19, 2021 13:57:11 GMT -5
Is name was William Robert, George must have been is middle name, Ive read about him many times and its the first time I hear he was called George, this is not the proof we 're looking for guys, I believe Ive said enough and I will not comment this post anymore, good luck
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Post by devorerd on Aug 19, 2021 15:31:51 GMT -5
Is name was William Robert, George must have been is middle name, Ive read about him many times and its the first time I hear he was called George, this is not the proof we 're looking for guys, I believe Ive said enough and I will not comment this post anymore, good luck Yeah I get what your saying, after reading that link, the name appears to be just a coincidence, fun while it lasted! Just seeing the names on there was pretty cool. Cheers
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Post by RonBk on Aug 19, 2021 16:59:08 GMT -5
I agree that William George Robert appears to have been a different person. But its a strange coincidence that Billy (who kept his real name William Henry Roberts a secret at the time) had a thing for Sallie and then she just happened to get married to another guy named William Robert. This guys name was also coincidently misspelled as Roberts by a secret service agent looking into counterfeit activity in the area which Billy was involved in. Furthermore it seems unknown what happened to this William George Robert after the divorce. There is no date of death on the guys findagrave page anyway. There is a photo though which is clearly not Brushy.
I am still not convinced though that Azariah was referring to the german fellow. But then I havent read Lily Klasners account either, im sure that will clear things up just like Chivato said.
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Post by tboor74 on Aug 20, 2021 1:55:33 GMT -5
An interesting point for discussion could be the dates. The telegram is dated 6th jan 1880. Sallie Chisum and William Robert weren't married until Jan 26th 1880, then moved to South Spring. Was Robert already in the employ of Chisum pre marriage? This info may be widely known, just asking to flesh out the story. [br I see 1881 on the telegram I was going off the transcript someone provided earlier which sais 1880, if it's 1881. point of interest over. It's clearly the German chap referred to, I just found the dates interesting.
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Post by tboor74 on Aug 20, 2021 2:11:30 GMT -5
A couple of pics of William Robert, he was apparently instrumental in developing the Chisum Jinglebob herd.
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Post by chivato88 on Aug 26, 2021 20:20:54 GMT -5
I agree that William George Robert appears to have been a different person. But its a strange coincidence that Billy (who kept his real name William Henry Roberts a secret at the time) had a thing for Sallie and then she just happened to get married to another guy named William Robert. This guys name was also coincidently misspelled as Roberts by a secret service agent looking into counterfeit activity in the area which Billy was involved in. Furthermore it seems unknown what happened to this William George Robert after the divorce. There is no date of death on the guys findagrave page anyway. There is a photo though which is clearly not Brushy. I am still not convinced though that Azariah was referring to the german fellow. But then I havent read Lily Klasners account either, im sure that will clear things up just like Chivato said. I am not either. I think I read on the census that William Robert (Rowbert) name was George William Robert. I do not think that we are living in fantasy island. I guess Chivato is saying the Billy Wilson killed in the book is a different one from counterfeit running with Billy the Kid, Billy Wilson? It seemed to be implying it to be the same guy if you ask me. Read the damn book instead of assuming, you think you've got it all figured out but 100% of the trail, you've got a lot to learn cause you dont seem to know a damn thing, thinking that it is Brushy that on that telegramm is just none sense, get over it.
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Post by chivato88 on Aug 27, 2021 4:06:34 GMT -5
No worries, no need for apologies.
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Post by cassandra jane on Aug 27, 2021 6:27:27 GMT -5
No there is definitely no need for apologies from Brushythekids part. If anyone should apologize here its the person who is calling out others to be "living in fantasyland", just because they said they're not 100 percent sure of a certain presented fact to be true. Personally I dont need no apologies. Im just saying, if anyone should apologize here its Chiv. Put much more eloquently than I could ever. The language and impatience there was so inappropriate and uncalled for.
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Post by chivato88 on Aug 27, 2021 7:28:38 GMT -5
When you challenge me with sometings that make 0 sense and comeback a week later a week later to do it again well thats how I anwser, sorry thats how I am, if offended any of you then I do apologize, that is not my goal
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Post by Elwood on Aug 28, 2021 7:36:47 GMT -5
Yesterday, at Bonham's Auction in Los Angeles, the Colt pistol that Pat Garrett allegedly killed Billy the Kid with in July 1881, sold for about $6 MILLION: www.bonhams.com/auctions/27262/lot/11/And further information: www.bonhams.com/press_release/32712/The Gun Used to Kill Billy the Kid Achieves US$6 Million at Bonhams Establishes World Auction Record for Firearm Los Angeles – Lively bidding was seen on the phone, online, and in the sale room on Friday, August 27, 2021 as Bonhams sold the gun Pat Garrett used to kill Billy the Kid for $6,030,313, a world auction record for any firearm. It was estimated at $2-3 million. The firearm was the top lot in the single-owner sale The Early West: The Collection of Jim and Theresa Earle, which achieved a total of $12,387,124, selling 92% by lot and 99% by value. The gun, a Colt Single Action Revolver owned by Sheriff Pat Garrett was used to kill Billy the Kid on July 14, 1881, at Pete Maxwell's Ranch. It stands as a relic of one of the most important and well-known stories of the Wild West. Now part of the American mythology, Garrett's friendship with the Kid, their mutual respect, and his subsequent hunt, capture, escape and death have become the stuff of legend. Catherine Williamson, Bonhams Director of Books & Manuscripts, said: "This sale was a tribute to Jim and Theresa Earle and it was a tremendous privilege to bring their historic Western collection to auction. The top lot, Pat Garrett's gun that killed Billy the Kid, attracted attention from all around the world and led to a world auction record for a firearm. This momentum continued and we saw determined bidding from clients that drove the sale as one of the most valuable private collections of Western memorabilia offered at auction."
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Post by RonBk on Aug 28, 2021 8:11:50 GMT -5
The person who bought that gun wouldnt be happy should Brushys story become officially accepted. That kind of investment is worth to protect.
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Post by DanJohno on Aug 28, 2021 8:30:32 GMT -5
It was probably the government of New Mexico posing as a private buyer that really bought the gun.
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Post by devorerd on Aug 28, 2021 10:39:27 GMT -5
It was probably the government of New Mexico posing as a private buyer that really bought the gun. Well, If you had to re-sell it, I guess you could say at least it was "owned" by Pat Garrett, who "knew" BTK..Lol.
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Post by kerry on Aug 28, 2021 17:17:50 GMT -5
It was probably the government of New Mexico posing as a private buyer that really bought the gun. Well, If you had to re-sell it, I guess you could say at least it was "owned" by Pat Garrett, who "knew" BTK..Lol. There is account that always claimed the gun never belonged to PG but that he confiscated it from Billy Wilson after Stinking Springs... because it was paid for with counterfeit money by Billy (and brand new).Like Garrett -the gun's fame rests solely on killing BTK..if this didn't happen then neither even fired a shot at him on 14 July 1881
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