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Post by nmjames on Aug 3, 2012 15:24:22 GMT -5
Wayne,
There were stories told in Morrison's book that three days after Garrett was said to have killed Billy, he showed up at these peoples house and she fed him.
I didn't think they came to the area until 1882 and am not sure that's not correct but will take the lady that I met, word.
The family does have Billy the Kid stories but nothing the way it's stated in Morrisons book and the name he used is not part of their family. The lady also told me that her Great-Grandparents was in Texas in 1880 until 1882. So how could Billy have been at their house in Seven Rivers when they were in Texas.
It is also stated in another book that the Granddad was with Garrett when Billy was killed. Again how could this be as he was not in Fort Sumner on July 14, 1882.
Now to be fair one of the family stories that she gave me talked about the grandfather going up to Fort Sumner when he found out Billy was killed but did not state that it wasn't Billy. There is a little add on that talks about the side of beef being in the coffin but I was told this is a story that one of the old uncles use to tell the kids.
Other than Brushy people I have never see where the graddad was there and buried Billy.
Now you are going to come back and say he could have been and I will ansewer, I know a few people that were kin to the ones that did bury Billy and others that were there when Billy was buried. And again the graddad was in Texas.
I hope this helps.
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 3, 2012 20:31:46 GMT -5
Maybe someone got their dates wrong? Maybe Billy didn't make any such visit? Either way, it doesn't change my opinion that Brushy was Billy The Kid and it doesn't convince me that Morrison intentionally included falsehoods in his book. He may have changed names to protect anonymity.
I got to tell you though, I am very interested in hearing what info you might get from Joe Salazar or his son in law.
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Post by nmjames on Aug 14, 2012 23:12:31 GMT -5
We had a great time at Lincoln Days. I got to see old friends and make new ones. I have been very busy with some new leads.
I did not see Joe but did vist with his son-in-law. It was hard to have a good visit because of the people around. I went back to see him Thursday but he was gone. I want to ask him a few more questions. I did ask about the letters and he told me the only letters he knows about was a few that one of the family members burn some years back. He said he had never heard that they were from Billy. He told me a couple of other things that I'm not going to post because you will not agree, but I will say he is not the only one that has said the same thing to me before. I have had at least three tell me the same thing about Brushy when he was in Lincoln.
I will get to visit with him again but it may be a few weeks. I get to see him often.
I am working on a couple of new things and will post them when I find out more.
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 15, 2012 11:36:09 GMT -5
Thanks James. I'll be looking forward to hearing more. Please don't hesitate to say things I'll disagree with. I'd love to know what gets said about Brushy around Lincoln.
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Post by Question on Mar 15, 2015 18:54:46 GMT -5
I have not seen anyone comment on the 1948 picture of Brushy with J. Frank Dalton where Roberts claimed to be a member of the James Gang BEFORE he claimed to be BTK. Also there is a 1942 photo of Roberts & Dalton together at a reunion of sorts. Could it be that they were both frauds who wanted some attention in their old age AFTER most who could dispute their claims were already deceased?
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 15, 2015 19:21:33 GMT -5
"Could it be they were both frauds?" Certainly it could but where and when did Brushy claim to be a member of the James gang? I've heard that said so many times and yet no one seems to be able to show he actually made that claim other than a statement made by a newspaper reporter that might or might not be factual. He did say he had known Dalton as Jesse James for 78 years and it is pretty certain that Billy The Kid did in fact meet Jesse James.
But that aside, even if Brushy did make such a claim does it in anyway prove he was not Billy The Kid? Billy The Kid grew up pretending to be someone he was not. The historic Billy The Kid went by the last name Bonney. Wasn't his real name McCarty? So what if he did say he was a member of Jesse's gang? How does that prove anything?
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Jul 26, 2016 14:15:02 GMT -5
I love reading the debates back and forth, great insight into the conspiracy of Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid. I lean more towards that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were one in the same, way too many similarities to be just pure coincidence between them.
I love the argument about Brushy Bill not being too factual on his dates and such..............the guy was one old man by time Morrison found him.
But great insight into the legendary figure.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 26, 2016 17:34:26 GMT -5
Devil's Advocate, Sometimes I ponder whether Sonnichsen and Morrison created a fraudulent book because some of the stuff was too good for an impostor to get right, other times I love that there are alleged mistakes, usually dates, because then we know Sonnichsen and Morrison would have corrected those if they were writing Brushy's story for him. I believe they believed or at least Morrison did because there are unpublished letters that show it. My grandma was 103 years old (and maybe one hundred years from now people will say it wasn't my grandma, it was my great grandma, she wasn't 103 she was 102, the truth is I'm just doing the best I can, and I'm still young so that shows you how much you can count on memory) and her mind was sharp as a whip. I was visiting her one Christmas and there was a major detail she couldn't remember about her 2nd husband and their wedding that took place when she was 40 years old---even tho she was 101 I had forgotten her age and was very surprised that she could not remember this major detail from when she was 40 and I questioned her about it. She replied, "That was over 60 years ago!"
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Post by Sharon H on Apr 27, 2018 13:52:31 GMT -5
Is this page still up? It seems you gentlemen have an abundance of information on BTK and Mr. Roberts. I have uncovered some new information aka tin types from north texas that are perhaps linked. Please reply
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 28, 2018 0:35:47 GMT -5
Please share your information with us or if you prefer you can send me a private message. Thanks for inquiring.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 5, 2018 0:21:28 GMT -5
NMJAMES, That is what is called splitting hairs. Was it 1881 or 1882? Who is the lady that you met? Will she do an interview?
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Post by moescupcakes on Mar 8, 2019 20:43:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Brushy Bill spoke Spanish?
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Post by lacowboy on Mar 10, 2019 16:51:59 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Brushy Bill spoke Spanish? Of course he did
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Post by leeb on Mar 11, 2019 12:13:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Brushy Bill spoke Spanish? Of course he did Is there any proof he was fluent or did he just blag it like everything else?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Mar 11, 2019 12:42:16 GMT -5
Is there any proof he was fluent or did he just blag it like everything else? leeb, I'm certain he could speak Spanish. That's why, while Brushy was in Mexico, on p. 89 of "Alias Billy the Kid", Brushy said, in quotation marks, "About fifty soldiers came there to round up our cattle and horses. We sent an INTERPRETER down to talk to them. They said it was Diaz' orders." Or maybe Brushy could not speak Spanish.
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