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Post by jeff on Mar 19, 2014 18:53:45 GMT -5
government officials lie all the time. i think its conceivable that pat garret lied about who he shot. but didnt btk disappear from recorded history after garret shot him? so why did btk and his history stop on the night that the sherrif shot him? brushy went along with it because he wanted everyone to think he was dead? did brushy realy look 90 yrs old in 1950? it appears, to me, that brushy was btk. im just not 100% sure.
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Post by Simon on Mar 21, 2014 7:21:33 GMT -5
As an englishman i dont know what to beleive. I really got interested in the topic a few days ago and have been hooked ever since. I read that Brushy bill could speak spanish as well as a native but cant find anywhere that says john miller could. I am very interested in the trunk that john miller took everywhere with him apparently the items in the box prooved he was the kid but then again no one knows the whereabouts of that trunk. As i said im a novice to the subject i really want to broaden my knowledge on the subject could anyone tell me more where im going wrong. Thanks simon
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Post by brianthedude on Mar 31, 2014 11:19:16 GMT -5
The photographic equipment of the era is really not a mystery. We even know the kind of camera used for the famous portrait, and the type of film and development process. The focal length of the lens used is an unknown variable that can certainly affect proportions, however the type of gear used (quad frame ferrotype box camera in a mobile setup) makes it highly unlikely that they had an extreme telephoto or wide angle lens that might cause major distortions. Significant foreshortening (squishing down) can happen when shooting from a downward angle, but judging by the composition of the photo i doubt this was a major factor. Vertical elements appear roughly parallel with the sides of the frame. Also, as it is a straight-on full body shot with the head near the center of the frame, facial distortion would not likely be extreme.
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Post by mckinley412 on Aug 2, 2016 15:19:56 GMT -5
Just read to that one of the body's exhumed believed to be John Miller, has buck teeth.
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 6, 2016 19:37:49 GMT -5
Brushy and Miller both claim they were born in Texas with parents born in Kentucky. Nice little coincidence. Also on page 72 of "whatever happened to Billy the Kid" Feliz says there was a tall man and a short man that used to visit John Miller. She believed the shorter man was Billy the Kid. Maybe the shorter man was Billy the Kid. In response to someone's post about Miller speaking Spanish, he was married to a Mexican woman but Feliz mentions that she couldn't speak English and she never says anything about him talking to her in Spanish
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Post by clydec on Sept 6, 2016 20:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 7, 2016 21:23:30 GMT -5
Page 142 says John Miller was shot in the shoulder and knee. So he might not stand straight as an arrow. shot around the time the kid was supposed to been killed by Garrett.
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Post by jgaines on Dec 23, 2016 13:50:20 GMT -5
Is anyone at least a little more curious about John Miller post exhumation ? The bones indicate a bullet hole in the chest and he had buck teeth . Seems more fitting that he had a Mexican wife. Seems there's no record of him until August 1881. And how do you discredit the man because the gun he had wasn't the one Billy used ? So what, Am I not who I claim to be because I currently have a pistol grip 30-30 instead of the straight stock 30-30 I was known to have in my younger years ? I'm not convinced either way on Brushy or John. Its all fascinating .
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Post by glenn on Jan 8, 2017 19:19:09 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I'm new here, and just read about John Miller today. I have believed for years, Brushy Bill was truly Billy the Kid. With that said, I looked at some photographs of John Miller, after his death, and I can see from the teeth how someone could believe his story to be true. I do not however see as much resemblance between him and BTK as I do Brushy Bill. I find the posts here to be very good, and I hope to see more in the near future. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 10, 2017 2:02:36 GMT -5
Thanks for joining us Glenn. I look forward to your sharing of ideas, questions, comments, etc. Sometimes the board gets a little slow and sometimes it's like gangbusters with constant posting. Stop by often and welcome.
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Post by Josh on Jul 9, 2017 14:25:17 GMT -5
I have trouble with the fact that the kid was such a huge deal that one would think a photo of a dead Billy the Kid would exist. This should have been a first priority. Obviously it wouldn't have been a problem since this had been done before and after. Thoughts?
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 9, 2017 20:27:59 GMT -5
No photographer in miles. Heat was too hot to not bury right away even though fresh slaughtered beef was allowed to hang longer. Also. Autopsies were done other people then. None for Billy. No autopsy doctor available. I guess.
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Post by Chad Moxon on Jul 30, 2017 7:43:06 GMT -5
Brushy, was illiterate and didn't speak Spanish. By all accounts, the kid was very literate ( he loved to read books, and we still have the several letters that he wrote to the governor of NM). We also know, without doubt, that The Kid was very fluent in Spanish. I don't think it is possible for Brushy to have been Billy.... John Miller, on the other hand, is much more believable, but I still don't think he was the kid. The governor had told Billy that she could leave NM and be a free man, no one would chase him, but he refused. If Billy would have survived the night on July 14 1881, he without a doubt would have returned to NM and been recognized. I believe that Billy the kid was in fact shot and killed by a coward ( Pat Garrett) in the dark, while carrying nothing but a knife, that he intended to cut a piece of beef with.
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Post by clydec on Jul 30, 2017 8:54:21 GMT -5
Nonsense, you have obviously never researched or read anything about Brushy Bill Roberts! The man was fluent in Spanish, could also read and write, he had a notebook filled out with writings that he was planning on turning into his life story when Morrison found him. He was recognized more than once by different people who knew the kid as being the real billy. He had all the same scars and he knew things that the historians did not know until brushy said them. He was the real kid and no one has proven different yet!
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Post by nmjames on Jul 30, 2017 10:02:55 GMT -5
clydec
I have researched and read many books on Brushy Bill Roberts and Billy the Kid for many years. I think your part about the scars is nonsense. I will back up why if you want to contact me.
Can you tell me where I can find these notebooks so I can see and read them?
Thanks nmjames
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