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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 29, 2015 13:00:19 GMT -5
crhfish, I believe the 1st Cavalry was formed by volunteers known as the "Rough Riders" and led by Teddy Roosevelt.
Saginaw Hill, home of Teddy Roosevelt, and Montauk are both located on Long Island, NY.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jul 29, 2015 16:35:55 GMT -5
I found the photo below very interesting. It is described on Wikipedia as including the 3rd Cavalry (left side), 1st Cavalry with Roosevelt in center (middle) and the 10th Cavalry (right side). So yes, the 10th Cavalry was there with Roosevelt. But look closer. The man on the extreme left looks a lot like the often circulated photo of an alleged Brushy Bill with several of the horse trainers from the Rough Riders. And the fellow next to him, second from the left, is either Indian Jim or one of the black soldiers from the 10th Cavalry.
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Post by crhfish on Aug 1, 2015 14:29:35 GMT -5
You are correct that the 1st calvary was the rough riders. The 10th, known as the Buffalo Soldiers fought along side the Rough Riders and were mostly black, but had many other races also. I'm sure you know they fought side by side in the war and specifically at the battle of San Juan and Kettle Hill where they were in the same Brigade under General Wood. There even some paintings done of Teddy's unit alongside a 10th calvary unit. When the war was over, the 10th Calvary even returned with the 1st to Montauk NY. The ninth stayed behind in Cuba. I can't find where a William H Roberts mustered in at least with a record online. But if he mustered out, he mustered in. Did he start with the 1st and get transferred or start with the 10th? I'm not sure Brushy Bill ever said he was in the 1st, I think he said he fought with the Rough Riders. If he was in the 10th, and this is him, he did fight with the rough riders, he could certainly make that claim. My wife's GreatGrandfather was General Joe Wheeler. Her mom has a collection of old books about him, some of the old large books with many photo's. Next time I am there I'm going to look through those books to see if I can find any interesting photo's.
Also I posted a copy of the record I found here and it appears to have been removed. If a I made a mistake I apologize. I'm not trying cause any copyright problems, so if you have a suggestion or a comment about what I can post when it comes to records I would appreciate it.
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Post by rustynails on Dec 7, 2015 13:53:52 GMT -5
I too think the Kid was born in Missouri. I believe Herman B. Weisner was on to something.
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Post by shadow on Dec 26, 2015 23:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Dec 27, 2015 15:54:58 GMT -5
crhfish, the possibility that Brushy Bill might be Billy the Kid is based on 2 assumptions: 1. Billy the Kid was not killed 13 July 1881. 2. Brushy Bill was not Oliver P. Roberts, for Brushy Bill appeared in census, marriage, and WWI draft registration records as Oliver P. Roberts, Oliver Roberts, Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and Ollie Roberts (a common nickname for Oliver).
The findings of a coroners jury in July 1881 indicated Billy the Kid had been killed. July 1881 newspaper articles reported the death of Billy the Kid.
Oliver P. Roberts was a resident of Van Zandt County, Texas, when he married Anna Lee in 1909. Brushy Bill said he married Mollie Brown, and the 1912 Van Zandt County marriage license shows that Mollie Brown married Oliver Roberts. The husband of Mollie Roberts registered for the WWI Draft in Little River County, Arkansas as Oliver Pleasant Roberts, who said he was born 16 August 1878. Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson was born on the same day, same month, 16 August, as recorded in the Roberts family Bible in the possession of his niece, Geneva Roberts Pittmon in 1987.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 9, 2018 18:57:25 GMT -5
This photo is also in that book I mentioned in the previous post. It is labeled as "Five Bronco Busters". The one second from right is the exact stature and physique of Brushy. Zooming in on the face, there is nothing there that would indicate it is not him. The man in the center is darker skinned than the others and is of very similar appearance to "William Pollock" of the previous post. I am convinced this is a photo of Brushy and "Indian Jim" with three others while serving as scouts and bronc busters with the Rough Riders. Wayne, Here is another photograph found on the Internet of some Rough Riders that needs to be looked at. The man on the far left with his arms crossed, standing very erect wearing a light colored uniform looks very much like Brushy Bill, I believe. It does appear that he has a ring on his left hand and I don't know if he was married at that time or not. Looking at the picture again, zooming in on his left hand, that might not be a ring as it's near the knuckle.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 9, 2018 20:40:56 GMT -5
This photo is also in that book I mentioned in the previous post. It is labeled as "Five Bronco Busters". The one second from right is the exact stature and physique of Brushy. Zooming in on the face, there is nothing there that would indicate it is not him. The man in the center is darker skinned than the others and is of very similar appearance to "William Pollock" of the previous post. I am convinced this is a photo of Brushy and "Indian Jim" with three others while serving as scouts and bronc busters with the Rough Riders. Wayne, Here is another photograph found on the Internet of some Rough Riders that needs to be looked at. The man on the far left with his arms crossed, standing very erect wearing a light colored uniform looks very much like Brushy Bill, I believe. It does appear that he has a ring on his left hand and I don't know if he was married at that time or not. Looking at the picture again, zooming in on his left hand, that might not be a ring as it's near the knuckle.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 10, 2018 18:03:27 GMT -5
I found the photo below very interesting. It is described on Wikipedia as including the 3rd Cavalry (left side), 1st Cavalry with Roosevelt in center (middle) and the 10th Cavalry (right side). So yes, the 10th Cavalry was there with Roosevelt. But look closer. The man on the extreme left looks a lot like the often circulated photo of an alleged Brushy Bill with several of the horse trainers from the Rough Riders. And the fellow next to him, second from the left, is either Indian Jim or one of the black soldiers from the 10th Cavalry. Sorry to "ride" off another post, but it is related. That way I can add attachment images. I really think the photo of a man in the "Rough Riders" picture resembles a younger Brushy Bill, (in his late 30's about 39 years old) then I found another interesting photo of some cowboys in the Buffalo Bill 1893 - 1894 CHICAGO World's Columbian Exposition. (IF Brushy, he would be around 34 years old) The man in that photo has similar characteristics as the "Rough Rider" photo. Do you see what I'm seeing?
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 22, 2018 22:39:52 GMT -5
No. I hardly looked at it but it isn't Brushy. Brushy's left ear is different from his right.
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Post by wannabe12 on Jul 27, 2018 21:16:32 GMT -5
Troop"L":
1st Sergeant Charles Perry Quartermaster Sergeant,Alexander Nadell Sergeants, Jefferson Dowling, William Johnson, William Lacy, George Taylor, Clarence L. Proctor, William H. Pennean Corporals, Noah Ridgley, James C. Myers, George Christian, Harvey Berry, Charles W. Robertson, James Oden, Lucius H. O'Neal Trumpeter, Edward Green Farrier, Washington Scott Saddler, Ruben Dearing
Privates, Martin Barnes, Charlex Berry, Edward Berry, Samuel Britton, Charles Butler(1), Charles Butler(2), Richard Buckner, Robert Chanley, Robert Chenault, Stephen Clark, William A. Cleveland, Frank Calhoun, Harry Crocket, James Cruthen, Willie Dixon, Hall Duff, Fred Fowler, William Gilyard, James Greggs, William Harper, Isaiah F. Harris, Monroe Head, Charles H. Henderson, John Holmes, Squire Hudson, Walter Huff, Isaac Hunter, Hayes Daniels, Robert Dean, Mark Jackson, James Jackson, James jones, William Johnson(1), William Johnson(2), Edward Johnson, Scott Johnson, George Layne, William H. Lander, John B. Lucus, Clarence M. Lenard, Gid Long, John Lotterberry, George Martin, Stephen Meeks, William McMichael, Edward McDowell, Samuel Mcclung, Edward W. Moore, Richard Moore, Henry Monroe, George C. Mullin, William Noland, Henry C. Noland, Richard C. Parham, George Patterson, Edward B. Porter, William Preyer, Joseph A. Prestly, George Randell, George Robinson, Wilbarn Robinson, Ramie Rollins, Alfred Rollar, Jack Shannan, Isaiah Sanders, James N. Shaw, William Skelton, Albert Smith, Charles Smith, William Stafford, Joseph Starr, Alexander Taylor, John Talbot, Luther T. Thornton, William E. Walton, Joseph Watts, George Washington, John Weight,
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Post by wannabe12 on Jul 27, 2018 21:16:59 GMT -5
Troop "D":
Captain John Bigelow Jr. 2nd Lieutenant A.E. Kennington 1st Sergeant William H. Givens***** Quartermaster Sergeant James Elliot**** Blacksmith, Pleas Cooper Saddler, Benjamin Brooks Sergeants, William H. Bailey, Edward Johnson, J. H. Stratton, William H. Hamilton, A.C. Winburn, Geroge Lewis Corporals, Andrew Cooper, James Wormley, Luchious Smith,**** John Walker,**** Meredieth Arnold, Bud Arnett, John Thornton Trumpeters, Purcell Wiley, Sprague Sims Farrier, Silas Johnson
Privates, J. B. Anderson, Charles Arnold, William Alexander, Matt Bell, Henry Bell, A. M. Berry, Lewis Boreman, Harry Brooks, Edward Brown, Robert Brown Jr, Samuel Bruden, Wade Bledsoe, Charles Boyd, William Brown, George Brookins, Arons Clay, Samuel Childers, Lawn Carroll, William Cannon, William Campbell, Standley Clauders, William Cissell, John H. Campbell, James Clay, Ennis Clark, William Downs, Edward Drivers, Albert Dade, C. V. Ervine, William Hill, Clarence Hall, Ezekiel Ficklin, Henry Fearn, Garfield Green, Jefferson Jones, Edward Johnson, William Johnson, F. E. Kelly, George Kellum, Enoch Johnson, Isaac James, William Lee, William Majors, William Miller, George Ramsey, H. C. Raymond, Neil Roper, Benjamin Robinson, W. H. Roberts, J. T. Simpson, James Sutton, Alexander Schockley, Harry Sturgis, J.H. Sanders, Evans Taylor, Thomas Taylor, George Teble, Otto True, J. F. Taylor, Robert Wallace, William Tyler, Charles Toliver, Charles White, Scott Worrior, Will Wright, J.C. Washington, Porter Whiesnant
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