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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 22, 2019 16:28:38 GMT -5
I don't remember that Alias BtK had Brushy saying his brother died in Kentucky long ago. No debate, mckinley412 If you have "Alias Billy the Kid", copyright 2014, page 16. It is in black and white, "Early next morning, he sent Mrs. Roberts off to visit a neighbor, When he and Morrison were by themselves, he pointed this left forefinger at the lawyer and said, "Well, you've got your man. You don't need to look any further. I'm Billy the Kid. But don't tell anyone. My wife does not know who I am. She thinks by half-brother is Billy the Kid, but he died in Kentucky many years ago."
In a preceding paragraph, same page: The old man turned red and repied, "Oh no, you've got me all wrong. Billy the Kid is my half-brother. He is still living down in Old Mexico."
Just how many lies did he tell Morrison?
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 31, 2019 1:59:20 GMT -5
ok. I remember now. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 3:17:01 GMT -5
Being from Ohio, I can only comment on the Cincinnati boxing claims. If Brushy Bill Roberts was this seemingly illiterate, uneducated man who never really left Texas in his entire life--- it's remarkable that he'd know Ohio in the 1870s-1890s, in particular, was the place to go if you wanted to box because the sport was outlawed in every other state in the Union at that time.
That's why champion John L. Sullivan and many others went to Cincinnati Ohio to fight. That's why Sullivan also played exhibition baseball games with the Cincinnati Redstockings, as they were then known as at the time.
Now it's PLAUSIBLE that Roberts came across old National Police Gazette newspapers rehashing these fights out of Cincinnati--- and could possibly explain how Roberts knew about horse races in Wyoming, etc--- but for a man to retain that much information, when that kind of stuff was like dailies easily forgotten by common working people, while plausible is not likely.
There was a lot of men who came up the Canal and down from the Great Lakes and from down the Missouri, etc who came to try their hand at boxing--- the fact Roberts admits no success at this pursuit, sounds a truthful statement. A liar would've said they won so many fights, etc--- whereas Roberts said he was too small and short of reach to really do anything in the fight game.
Back then (1870s-1880s) there was only 4 weight classes, lightweight & welterweight & middleweight & heavyweight. More times than not small men fought the big guys. There wasn't commissions, regulations, etc--- it was enter at your own risk, and here's a prideful man boasting about his gun exploits basically saying he sucked so bad at boxing (the manly art) that he quit before ever having a match.
Many a would-be boxer packed his bags and never tried again. You'll find several records of men "0-1-0" in record books, and tbh most of these were aliases people used because they didn't want to bring shame back home if they ever failed. Louis L'Amour & Jack Palance were boxers at one point and fought under aliases. Have you ever looked up just how many people used the name Jack Dempsey or Bob Fitzsimmons? Dozens and dozens.
I can't rule it out for Brushy. When you look at his claims, the migration pattern of it all, it certainly looks capable of being pulled off. Sure, everyone exaggerates or tells tall tales, but where there's smoke there is fire.
My late Uncle Butch couldn't whip his way out of a paper bag in my estimation, so I would roll my eyes at him saying he beat someone up at the bar once upon a time. But, there was indeed pictures of Uncle Butch as a young man on the local YMCA boxing team back in the 1950s. Just because one thing doesn't quite jiive doesn't mean there isn't a kernal of truth either.
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Post by MissyS on Nov 16, 2019 4:15:20 GMT -5
rufus Great points, I don't think it's been brought up before about the boxing and how Brushy knew about Ohio. Brushy could have read about the boxing in the paper?, but I wonder if much boxing news would be in a small town paper? Brushy interested in horse racing in Wyoming brings to mind that Billy the Kid was also interested in horse racing, when Billy and his pals came to Tascosa or ( Atascosa )at the time to sell horses, one of the first things he done was get up a horse race with the locals. I have no problem believing Brushy participated in the wild west shows either, I believe he claimed to have performed with Booger Red, Pawnee Bill and Buffalo Bill, and after reading about these incredible men, I believe it's possible Brushy could have met them and performed with them, Booger Red grew up on a South Texas ranch and his last performance was in Fort Worth Texas, Booger Red was well known in Texas, so Brushy could have met this man. Pawnee Bill as a young man around 15 had worked in the Indian Territory and later bought a ranch in Oklahoma, Brushy could have met him when he ran away to the Indian Territory. Pawnee Bill performed at a time with Buffalo Bill so the two of them were well aquainted, if Brushy knew Pawnee and performed in his show he could have met Buffalo Bill. These wild west shows hired alot of cowboys and were anxious to hire sharp shooters, I can easily see Brushy aquiring for work when any of these outfits rode through his town, Brushy liked to participate in parades in the past, and he liked to show off his shooting skills, I don't see him passing up an opportunity to make some money doing what he liked to do. I also have no problem believing Brushy took a job as a plainclothes security in Gladewater TX. as well, he lived in Gladewater before moving to Hico, he could have taken a job there, Gladewater in 1908 had ten stores, one bank, two blacksmith shops, two hotels, a gin, a sawmill, and a planing mill. This was before the oil boom , after the oil boom hit the town must have expanded, quite a bit, also considering the Great Depression was close to around this time, people took odd jobs when they could and where they could. It's not too unbelievable that Brushy worked at many different jobs.
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Post by brushy on Sept 17, 2022 0:26:33 GMT -5
Little white lie: Brushy said he married Mollie Brown (she married Oliver Roberts), a member of the old Brown family of Brownwood. First settlers arrived in Brown County about 1857. Mollie’s father, John Martin Brown and family lived in Titus County in 1860 and 1870; Franklin County in 1880; and Coleman County in 1900. They might have traveled though Brown County after 1880 on their westward migration. Exaggeration: Brushy said he had a ranch in Arkansas near Oklahoma. Warranty deeds show that O L Roberts (not Brushy Bill) owned 80 acres of land in Sevier County, Arkansas, from February 1918 until August 1918. Unbelievable stories: Changed his name at age 3 Lived almost 2 years with Yaqui Indians in Mexico Rounded up ponies in the Shetland Islands. Sent to Argentina by Cattlemans’ Association Went to boxing school in Cincinnati Deputy U S Marshall Texas Ranger Pinkerton agent Gladewater plainclothesman Rode with Buffalo Bill and Pawnee Bill Commanded 106 men in Mexico Rough Rider in Cuba
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Post by brushy on Sept 17, 2022 0:50:24 GMT -5
Texas Truth Teller But Brushy had the exact same scars in the exact location as Billy the Kid. There are 6 sworn affidavits that Brushy was Billy the Kid. Brushy had special knowledge about Billy the Kid. There was a 1990 photo recognition study that says it's match the only one done by professionals. Brushy was the same age and height as Billy the Kid. These facts prove Brushy was the real deal. He fought in 3 wars and he was a crack shot and he could bust broncos. I aint even a Brushy expert I don't know all his aliases were nor how many men he killed.
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