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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 20, 2019 21:23:40 GMT -5
Little white lie: Brushy said he married Mollie Brown (she married Oliver Roberts), a member of the old Brown family of Brownwood. First settlers arrived in Brown County about 1857. Mollie’s father, John Martin Brown and family lived in Titus County in 1860 and 1870; Franklin County in 1880; and Coleman County in 1900. They might have traveled though Brown County after 1880 on their westward migration.
Exaggeration: Brushy said he had a ranch in Arkansas near Oklahoma. Warranty deeds show that O L Roberts (not Brushy Bill) owned 80 acres of land in Sevier County, Arkansas, from February 1918 until August 1918.
Unbelievable stories: Changed his name at age 3 Lived almost 2 years with Yaqui Indians in Mexico Rounded up ponies in the Shetland Islands. Sent to Argentina by Cattlemans’ Association Went to boxing school in Cincinnati Deputy U S Marshall Texas Ranger Pinkerton agent Gladewater plainclothesman Rode with Buffalo Bill and Pawnee Bill Commanded 106 men in Mexico Rough Rider in Cuba
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Post by lacowboy on Jun 21, 2019 9:11:13 GMT -5
Little white lie: Brushy said he married Mollie Brown (she married Oliver Roberts), a member of the old Brown family of Brownwood. First settlers arrived in Brown County about 1857. Mollie’s father, John Martin Brown and family lived in Titus County in 1860 and 1870; Franklin County in 1880; and Coleman County in 1900. They might have traveled though Brown County after 1880 on their westward migration. Exaggeration: Brushy said he had a ranch in Arkansas near Oklahoma. Warranty deeds show that O L Roberts (not Brushy Bill) owned 80 acres of land in Sevier County, Arkansas, from February 1918 until August 1918. Unbelievable stories: Changed his name at age 3 Lived almost 2 years with Yaqui Indians in Mexico Rounded up ponies in the Shetland Islands. Sent to Argentina by Cattlemans’ Association Went to boxing school in Cincinnati Deputy U S Marshall Texas Ranger Pinkerton agent Gladewater plainclothesman Rode with Buffalo Bill and Pawnee Bill Commanded 106 men in Mexico Rough Rider in Cuba Now Jim why don't you explain why a man named Oliver P Roberts would take out a deed in the name of O L Roberts. You reckon he didn't know his own name?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 21, 2019 20:43:30 GMT -5
Little white lie: Brushy said he married Mollie Brown (she married Oliver Roberts), a member of the old Brown family of Brownwood. First settlers arrived in Brown County about 1857. Mollie’s father, John Martin Brown and family lived in Titus County in 1860 and 1870; Franklin County in 1880; and Coleman County in 1900. They might have traveled though Brown County after 1880 on their westward migration. Exaggeration: Brushy said he had a ranch in Arkansas near Oklahoma. Warranty deeds show that O L Roberts (not Brushy Bill) owned 80 acres of land in Sevier County, Arkansas, from February 1918 until August 1918. Unbelievable stories: Changed his name at age 3 Lived almost 2 years with Yaqui Indians in Mexico Rounded up ponies in the Shetland Islands. Sent to Argentina by Cattlemans’ Association Went to boxing school in Cincinnati Deputy U S Marshall Texas Ranger Pinkerton agent Gladewater plainclothesman Rode with Buffalo Bill and Pawnee Bill Commanded 106 men in Mexico Rough Rider in Cuba Now Jim why don't you explain why a man named Oliver P Roberts would take out a deed in the name of O L Roberts. You reckon he didn't know his own name? Sorry about the typo. I reckon I did a poor job of proofreading before I posted the message. If there is any doubt in your mind about the name on the Sevier County Warranty Deeds, see photocopies on pp. 144 & 145 of "Brushy Bill, Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?", a well researched book by a distant relative of Brushy Bill.
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Post by sushiadam on Jun 21, 2019 23:41:42 GMT -5
The "Unbelievable" section actually sounds pretty on par for the lives some of those old timers lived. Hardly unbelievable.
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Post by leeb on Jun 22, 2019 0:59:34 GMT -5
The "Unbelievable" section actually sounds pretty on par for the lives some of those old timers lived. Hardly unbelievable. is there any proof or records of brushy being involved in any of the unbelievable stories? Let's not forget the roundup $300,000 yet had no money or assets.
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Post by leeb on Jun 24, 2019 12:07:58 GMT -5
The "Unbelievable" section actually sounds pretty on par for the lives some of those old timers lived. Hardly unbelievable. commuting to Scotland does sound pretty on par for the average old timer...REALLY!
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Post by leeb on Jun 24, 2019 12:47:38 GMT -5
And then we'd just pluck someone from obscurity to command over 100 men in mexico...Brilliant
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 26, 2019 16:22:20 GMT -5
Another of Brushy's lies. Brushy said Martha Heath was his cousin. William A Tunstill was successful in locating relatives of Martha Heath. From page 35 of his book, "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same".
QUOTE: A personal interview with a second cousin to Brushy Bill Time: August 1987 in home of cousin "My wife and I were invited to the home of Brushy Bill's second cousin. She said the first time she met Brushy Bill was when she was six years old. She visited her grandparents Oliver and Sarah Elizabeth Roberts almost every summer until she was about grown. They lived on a farm near Sulphur Springs." She also had a picture of her grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts, in her living room; Brushy had provided Morrison with the same picture that he identified as Mary Adeline Dunn.
Census and cemetery records reveal Henry Oliver and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts lived in Hopkins County (Sulphur Springs is the county seat) from before 1887 until after 1900.
Martha Vada Roberts Heath was not Brushy's cousin. She was his half-sister. Her mother was Caroline Dunn. Brushy's mother was Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 26, 2019 18:31:18 GMT -5
Morrison's book did include a photo of Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts and identified it as Mary Adeline Dunn. However, we don't know for certain that Brushy is responsible for that error. It is entirely possible if not likely that he said the picture was his "mother" and Morrison just assumed he meant Mary Adeline Dunn. I believe Brushy referred to Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts as "mother" even though she was not his birth mother.
As for Martha Vada Roberts being his cousin and not his sister, there are reports out there that Martha's husband insisted Brushy was "not" her brother, Oliver Pleasant Roberts.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 26, 2019 18:54:57 GMT -5
Morrison's book did include a photo of Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts and identified it as Mary Adeline Dunn. However, we don't know for certain that Brushy is responsible for that error. It is entirely possible if not likely that he said the picture was his "mother" and Morrison just assumed he meant Mary Adeline Dunn. I believe Brushy referred to Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts as "mother" even though she was not his birth mother. As for Martha Vada Roberts being his cousin and not his sister, there are reports out there that Martha's husband insisted Brushy was "not" her brother, Oliver Pleasant Roberts. Brushy did refer to Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts as his mother because she was his birth mother. No evidence has been found that Mary Adeline Dunn existed. Brushy was familiar with the Dunn surname, and borrowed it from his father's first wife, Caroline DUNN. Just like he borrowed his mother's name, Elizabeth Ferguson, and used it for the second wife of J. H. Roberts (of whom no record has been found).
Dudley Heath was quoted as saying, "That's not your brother." Now why would Brushy find it necessary to attribute that statement fo Dudley? Why would the issue arise unless Brushy was trying to explain away the fact that Martha Vada Roberts Heath was his half-sister?
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 9, 2019 4:00:20 GMT -5
There were two Mary Dunn's in the family both the same age, both old enough to be mother. In a letter from Morrison he describes the difficulty and confusion the book company had over the mother illustrations and how they fixed it but he still wasn't happy with the result but he was basically worn out from the whole ordeal and wanted the book to be published. So it is hard to say what happened but there is a letter referring to the ordeal. It is in the STL Archives under billy the kid and I am not sure if I have a copy or maybe there is one I did post on the Brushy FB group under photos. Either way, if you study history and especially billy the kid history you know that nothing is what it seems 3/4 of the time and you have to stand back and look at the big picture. You have to know that authors make mistakes and books are difficult to create especially this one which the author acknowledges so you know you have to be careful when saying "oh then this can't be true or this has to be true." It isn't that simple. And if it isn't that simple then you can't let yourself be simple minded. Attachments:
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Post by bloodybeaver on Jul 20, 2019 14:38:04 GMT -5
The "Unbelievable" section actually sounds pretty on par for the lives some of those old timers lived. Hardly unbelievable. Can you give me another example of an old west figure being a Pinkerton detective, U.S. Marshall, Rodeo champion, member of the anti-horse thief association, pro boxer, veteran of two wars, showman & celebrity endorser, revolutionary, & compatriot of Pancho Villa? Because Brushy claimed all of the above.
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Post by nmjames on Jul 20, 2019 23:11:38 GMT -5
bloodybeaver
Tom Horn.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 21, 2019 11:42:25 GMT -5
Another Brushy Bill lie
“Alias Billy the Kid”, p. 33. Soon he was married again - this time to Elizabeth Ferguson of Tennessee. She became the mother of James Roberts, who was six years younger than his half-brother Billy.
“Alias Billy the Kid”, p. 16. “Oh no. You’ve got me all wrong. Billy the Kid is my half-brother. He is still living down in old Mexico.”
“Alias Billy the Kid”, p. 16. “I’m Billy the Kid. Don’t tell anyone. My wife doesn’t know who I am. She thinks my half-brother is Billy the Kid, but he died in Kentucky many years ago.”
Like the rest of Brushy Bill’s story, no supporting record or evidence has been found.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 22, 2019 15:35:08 GMT -5
I don't remember that Alias BtK had Brushy saying his brother died in Kentucky long ago.
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