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Post by nmjames on Sept 28, 2018 20:46:28 GMT -5
mckinley412:
Dinner is considered to be the main or largest meal of the day whether it takes place at noon or in the evening. It is said that the escape took place between 5 and 6pm. It is also said that Billy remained in Lincoln between one to two hours. Gauss said he left in the evening. If it were noon as Brushy said that would be 12:00. If he rode away from Lincoln about 6:00 or 7:00, it would have been six or seven hours. I know you know the story about Billy being about a mile away at 2:00 PM. There are a lot of stories.
We will just have to agree to disagree as the most common time I find is between 5:00 and 6:00. Most of the newspaper call it evening or supper. Gauss just happen to call it Dinner, not lunch or noon. Garrett said on the evening of April 28. If Corbet wrote the letter on the escape, it said last night and said Olinger left about 6PM to go to supper.
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Post by MissyS on Dec 3, 2018 16:40:02 GMT -5
After watching the Brad Meltzer's Decoded rerun today, there was some interesting things that were mentioned about the shooting of Bell. When Sederwall had the court house stairs investigated with Luminol it showed blood on top of the stairs, and no blood on the bottom of the stairs, and the findings was that around 2 liters of blood was found on the top consistent with being shot. It was noted that 2 liters of blood is equivalent to around 40% of the blood in a body, so I'm wondering could Bell had bled that much blood from a gash to the head from Billy's cuffs?, if so then I wonder how Bell was able to get up and run down the stairs as he would have been too weak. There was also mention about some record that was found dating to the time of the court house escape mentioning that after Garrett left, the next sheriff's wife had to clean up blood at the top of the stairs, and there's no historical record of anyone else having been shot on the stairs, so it pretty much points to it being Bell's blood the Luminol found. Could it be that Bell was shot on top of the stairs? Since someone mentioned that Bell's gun was still in his holster, then could Billy had taken the gun from Bell, and after shooting him replaced it back in Bell's gun holster on the top of the stairs? I know an eyewitness said Bell ran out and fell in the arms of Gauss but could this really had happened?, how could Bell had been able to get up and move around at all after losing 2 liters of blood? If Bell had ran or stumbled down the stairs after being shot wouldn't there have been traces of blood found trailing down the stairs?, yet the only blood found with Luminol was on top of the stairs.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 26, 2019 15:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by montanas on Feb 27, 2019 11:37:37 GMT -5
Missy, That's an interesting article. It is also the first time I've ever heard that Billy suppossedly killed his stepfather.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 27, 2019 20:37:59 GMT -5
Frank Phillips was a friend of Harry Aguayo, and he was pretty much telling what Aguayo told him, Phillips wasn't there and Aguayo wasn't either. Aguayo claimed he was told about the events by the man that hid the gun for Billy, he wouldn't mention his name, but whats interesting is the part about Billy saying he was sick, it would explain why he wasn't taken across the street with the other prisoners to eat, it shows clever planning of Billy to seperate the two guards and be alone with the one guard that he felt had gained his trust, by claiming he was sick was also a way to force a need for a trip to the outhouse, and it makes me believe more that Billy knew about a gun hidden there in the outhouse because of him saying he was sick.
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Post by kerry on Dec 20, 2019 3:29:30 GMT -5
Brushy was dealing monte to Bell and dropped a card to distract him...snatching Bell's pistol -Brushy moved forward to cover Bell as he started down the stairs but was thrown to the floor by his leg irons causing an accidental discharge...the bullet passing through Bell's body at the top of the stairs and bouncing off the stairwell wall...the hole at the bottom of the stairs is sensational but unrelated.Bell's,death was an accident,,,Olinger's death was pure LCW and nothing to do wth legal process..the plan was for Bob to execute BTK while Garrett was out of town. .
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Post by maggiethearchivist on Oct 27, 2020 13:49:41 GMT -5
Would anyone here know if any photos of Sam Corbet exist?
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Post by nmjames on Oct 29, 2020 10:49:12 GMT -5
There is a picture of Sam Corbet but it was sold at auction this past January. I don't know who has it now. You can see the picture in the book, The West of Billy the Kid by Frederick Nolan, page 124.
I have reasons to believe there was a trip to the outhouse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 23:36:04 GMT -5
I honestly think that it happened exactly as Brushy tells it. His version is the most logical and cohesive with the known facts. The reason he ask Bell to take him to the outhouse and then slips his cuffs and hits Bell over the back of the head with it, is because he knows the lock, locking his leg shackles to the floor is a spring-loaded lock, and the key works like a screw. So, while Bell is trying to unlock it, he knocks him silly, takes his gun, finishes unlocking the leg shackles. When Bell comes to, it is likely that he had a concussion, because the behavior described is cohesive of someone with a concussion. So, when Billy is pointing the revolver at him saying that he is not going to hurt him, to please just do as he asks, and then Bell panics and runs, it is because he does not know what is going on because he has a concussion he does not see Billy as Billy, he just sees a guy pointing a revolver at him, so he runs. Billy then runs after him leaps, sliding as he gets to the top of the stairs, which are very steep, and fires a shot to scare Bell, but it bounces off of the wall and hits Bell in the armpit. Bell then stumbles outside and dies in Godfried Gauss's arms. Then Billy goes to the armory gets Ollinger's shotgun says something about the Jones boy to him, and gives him one barrel, and then gives him another.
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Post by chivato88 on Jun 28, 2021 19:46:06 GMT -5
According to Col Fulton, theres a good possibility that Billy said that he did it all by himself to protect his friends.Sam Corbet came by to see him almost everyday talking to him thru the door, one day he slipped a piece of paper to Billy with one word on it "Privy". When they investigated the death of Bell, his gun was found on him fully loaded.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 0:45:10 GMT -5
According to Col Fulton, theres a good possibility that Billy said that he did it all by himself to protect his friends.Sam Corbet came by to see him almost everyday talking to him thru the door, one day he slipped a piece of paper to Billy with one word on it "Privy". When they investigated the death of Bell, his gun was found on him fully loaded. Maybe, but all of the newspaper accounts said Billy whacked him over the head. He may or may not have given Bell his gun back. Brush said Sam Corbett put the gun in the latrine.
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