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Post by mckinley412 on May 31, 2018 19:25:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna try something here and if it's garbage then feel free to delete it. I'm gonna try to make a case for this theory and I'm not saying it holds any water. I'm gonna do this step by step just as an experiment and probably embarrass myself but you guys are family so who cares. First lets look at the Nova Scotia connection. From Donald Cline's Alias Billy the Kid. Next we find an M. McCarthy coming from Nova Scotia to Boston. The type says it's a female but the document says male. He gets married to a woman from Ireland.
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Post by mckinley412 on May 31, 2018 19:29:51 GMT -5
After marriage comes kids. Birth records for Joseph McCarty who was younger than Billy. I believe the Kid was born in Texas and that's why he hasn't shown up yet. I don't think these were his parents. The Antrim family claimed the Kid was illegitimate. Although the old newspaper article called The Kid's Castle or whatever it was called (I'll come back to that later) is embellished tremendously I believe that man actually met the Kid. The Kid told him he was from Texas. He described his castle which sounded a lot like the Torreon in Lincoln, NM and there were more than one of those in New Mexico. Attachments:
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Post by mckinley412 on May 31, 2018 19:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by mckinley412 on May 31, 2018 20:02:16 GMT -5
Myrna Carpenter says she is related to the McCarty's and Brushy. While I was in Van Zandt, TX I walked from the gas station over to the cemetery. Here are some of the photos I took, plus one that I have for whenever I begin to research her family. She won't say much about it.
It won't let me upload the photos but there were 13 tombstones of McCarty's in that cemetery from the 1800's and I wish I would have looked at all the other cemeteries also.
I'll take a break for now and later I'll give some more info that may help someone debunk this thing about the McCarty's. Of course it won't prove my theory absolutely wrong otherwise I wouldn't have bothered sharing this.
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Post by wannabe12 on May 31, 2018 20:47:04 GMT -5
Thain,
The Claim by Myrna Carpenter is not accurate. The names she gives fit part of the family tree she claims is part of the Billy/Brushy tree, but it is a different Mccarty that her ancestor was married to. It doesn't fit together like she says or wants it to.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 1, 2018 3:29:02 GMT -5
Ok. Thanks for that info. We'll record it in the history books. You know all about the McCartry's? Because she doesn't say much about them. And neither do you.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 1, 2018 4:50:11 GMT -5
No. You are wrong. Nice try with the 'it is a different McCarty'. Do you want to hear what I have to say or do you want to think of your own ideas?
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Post by wannabe12 on Jun 1, 2018 6:26:14 GMT -5
The different McCarty I mentioned has nothing to do with the McCarty name Billy uses, it is referring to the McCarty she says that her Great Grandmother was married to in an article published a few years back. As far as I know nothing has been proven about the McCarty name Billy used as an alias, so I don’t have knowledge beyond what has been written.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 4, 2018 17:04:19 GMT -5
It's hard to say how they fit because we don't know hardly anything about her McCarty's are Billy's McCarty's. William Antrim said her husband's name was Michael and that he died in New York. The guy I listed didn't die in New York plus I found where a Joseph McCarty died in Lowell later that year at 5 months old although the guy I want to be the correct Joseph would have been 8 months old and no other information is listed to confirm or deny it. I also found a Catharine McCarty that died in Boston but she was not listed as a widow as she should have been but it could possibly be the same woman I mentioned earlier. Keep in mind Catharine, Joseph, and McCarty are all common names.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 4, 2018 19:47:43 GMT -5
mckinley412, I agree that there is almost nothing known about Catherine McCarty. There is the marriage of William Antrim and Catherine McCarty in Santa Fe 1 March 1873. Henry and Joseph McCarty were two of the witnesses. Waldo E. Koop found and published information in 1964 about the 1870 and 1871 Sedgwick County, Kansas, records that showed both William Antrim and Catherine McCarty owned property in the county. William Antrim responded to an Interior Department, Pension Bureau, questionnaire requesting information in April 1915. These were his answers: Antrim said that his wife had died the 13th of September 1874 in Silver City of tuberculosis. Antrim said he and his wife had no children. Antrim said his wife had previously been married to McCarty who died in New York City, and they had two boys. This is the most credible evidence about Catherine.
Additional evidence, almost as credible, provided by Phil Ranch, is the 1860 census of New York City, combined with information in New York City directories for 1858-59, 1860, 1863, and 1864. The Patrick McCarty (McCarthy) family of Patrick, Catherine, Bridget, and Henry McCarty lived at 210 Greene Street.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 9, 2018 3:30:39 GMT -5
Antrim said her husband's name was Michael.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 10, 2018 9:33:58 GMT -5
"Antrim said her husband's name was Michael. "
mckinley412, Antrim, in his response to the Bureau of Pensions request found on page 26 of "Brushy Bill, ..... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale", said that his wife had previously been married to McCarty. No first name of McCarty was included on the form.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 10, 2018 13:39:02 GMT -5
Wellll, yes, I'm sorry, it appears you are right about the form but my brain thought I actually remembered seeing the first name on the form and sometimes the books do not match the documents. I really do wish I knew where to see it one more time and I have seen it before somewhere. But either way on page 201 of Nolan's West book it says that there is little to no doubt that his name was Michael because Catherine reported herself as a widow of Michael McCarty in the 1868 Indianapolis City Directory.
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 4, 2020 19:14:41 GMT -5
Its been said that when Walter Noble Burns was doing reserch for his book" Saga of Billy the Kid" he visited Lincoln County and was told that th Kid definitely had progeny and that the old timers knew who they were and who the mothers were.Burns wanted to publish his findings but was overruled by is publisher, evidently on the ground of a civil suit. I found this in the Pat Garrett bio book by Leon C Metz, Eve Ball remarked about these children and said that Billy 's son had died in Lincoln County in the 1960's. To protect him and is family , she would not disclose is name.
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 4, 2020 19:34:38 GMT -5
So if this is true it means somebody knows something about Billy's descendants somewhere in Lincoln County, I dont know if somebody on this board already looked into this, if not it deserves to be digged up if it can be!
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