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Post by mckinley412 on May 29, 2018 16:26:32 GMT -5
“Of all the places in the United States there happens to be a dark-skinned Billy Barlow around the same age as Billy the Kid and relatively close to where Brushy said he would be. After the 1870 census this man disappears from historical records.” Thain Timmerberg Brushy claimed he worked on a ranch with Billy Barlow in Muleshoe, Texas Alias Billy the Kid, Sonnichsen 1st edition (footnote) “According to William Henry Roberts, Billy Barlow and him were very similar in appearance, that is the same approximate height and weight. However, Roberts told Morrison that Barlow was darker skinned and a wore a beard (Dr. Sonnichsen believed Barlow may have been half-Mexican). This is very important because at the time Roberts recorded this statement neither he nor Morrison knew about the Ashenfelter obituary. In fact, it is not cited in alias Billy the Kid nor is it amongst the files in Roberts application for pardon.” The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts, Brett L. Hall, page 137 “Mr. Nation also interviewed a man by the name of Trujillo who died in 1935 at the age of ninety-five who stated that the man killed by Garrett resembled an Indian as most definitely was not Billy the Kid. Helen Airy-Whatever Happened to Billy the Kid (Sunstone Press 1993)". The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts, Brett L. Hall, page 420 The 1870 census record lists the man's race as Mulatto. "Historically in the American South, the term mulatto was also applied at times to persons with mixed Native American and African American ancestry. For example, a 1705 Virginia statute reads as follows: And for clearing all manner of doubts which hereafter may happen to arise upon the construction of this act, or any other act, who shall be accounted a mulatto, Be it enacted and declared, and it is hereby enacted and declared, That the child of an Indian and the child, grand child, or great grand child, of a negro shall be deemed, accounted, held and taken to be a mulatto." In early American history, the term mulatto was also used to refer to persons of Native American and European ancestry. Certain tribes of Indians of the Inocoplo family in Texas referred to themselves as "mulatto".[46] At one time, Florida's laws declared that a person from any number of mixed ancestries would be legally defined as a mulatto, including White/Hispanic, Black/Indian, and just about any other mix as well." Wikipedia "Latin Americans were variously classified as white, mulatto, or racially distinct." scholar.harvard.edu/jlhochschild/publications/racial-reorganization-and-united-states-census-1850-1930-mulattoes-half-br "Although American Indians were not included in early U.S. censuses, an “Indian” category was added in 1860, but enumerators counted only those American Indians who were considered assimilated (for example, those who settled in or near white communities). In 1870, “mulatto” was defined as including “quadroons, octoroons and all persons having any perceptible trace of African blood.” www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/06/11/chapter-1-race-and-multiracial-americans-in-the-u-s-census/
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Post by MissyS on May 29, 2018 17:26:17 GMT -5
Thain, This is Awesome, great job finding this.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 29, 2018 18:23:58 GMT -5
“Brushy claimed he worked on a ranch with Billy Barlow in Muleshoe, Texas Alias Billy the Kid, Sonnichsen 1st edition (footnote)”
Excerpt, “Texas Handbook on Line”
“The most famous Muleshoe Ranch, however, was the one that gave its name to the town of Muleshoe in Bailey County. Originally part of the vast XIT Ranch, the Muleshoe Ranch was begun in 1903, when Edward K. Warren and his son Charles, owners of the Warren Featherbone Company (a manufacturer of women's corsets in Three Oaks, Michigan), bought the YL Ranch, consisting of 40,000 acres, from J. L. Clark of Tennessee for $100,000. “
“The Muleshoe Ranch prospered when the Santa Fe's Clovis cutoff line was built through its property, increasing area land values and launching the town of Muleshoe at the site of the ranch's loading pens in 1913. “
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Post by mckinley412 on May 29, 2018 18:51:05 GMT -5
TTT, I already looked up the history on Muleshoe. It was there in 1860. You do this with Buffalo Gap also. Well I'll look into it more. The town was named after a local ranch. The brand was being used as early as 1860. Idk. I'm thinking this is just like the Buffalo Gap thing.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 29, 2018 20:50:33 GMT -5
“It was there in 1860. ——————The town was named after a local ranch. The brand was being used as early as 1860.” True statements.
“A similar brand was started in 1856 (though not actually registered until 1860) by Henry Black in Fannin County. He subsequently moved west to Stephens County, where he purchased land and established the Muleshoe Ranch; he used the brand for the next fifty years. A muleshoe brand of a different design was introduced in 1860 by W. W. Cochran, the first white settler in Palo Pinto County to settle west of the Brazos River. Later his son, W. C. Cochran, transferred it to Ector County.” Bailey County, Texas: “The origin of the Muleshoe name for this enterprise is obscure; it was said that Charles Warren, as he was pondering a name, came across an old rusty muleshoe. Even so, the Warrens for the first five years referred to the ranch as the YL; the muleshoe brand was allegedly used first by the Johnson brothers on their Borden County ranch, and after buying land from them, Warren perhaps used the muleshoe brand briefly. However, after acquiring the 200,000-acre Ojitos Ranch in northern Mexico from Lord Beresford of England in 1910, he began applying that operation's U Bar brand to all of his herds; Beresford reportedly had designed that brand in 1889 as a warning to cow thieves (see CATTLE RUSTLING), meaning "You are barred." Nevertheless, the resemblance between the U Bar and muleshoe brands was close enough to perpetuate the latter name for the Warrens' Texas ranch—and ultimately for the new Bailey County seat.”
Thain, please post the website address where you found credible evidence that the town or ranch of Muleshoe existed in 1860, or even in 1880. Thanks.
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Post by mckinley412 on May 29, 2018 21:48:09 GMT -5
Let's just say there were a bunch of Muleshoe brands around at that time, about 1880 but no one named their ranch after the brand. I wonder what the people that used the Muleshoe brand actually called their ranch though? It would be interesting to find out. Also Billy Barlow was supposed to have been younger than Billy not older so that is a pretty good argument against it also. I did find a black Billy Barlow that was later living in Virginia where this one is from so he could be the same. But I find it interesting that someone said the body looked like an Indian instead of saying it was an Indian. Brushy said he was dark skinned but didn't specify a race. Sounds like Barlow could have had mixed ancestry. I do appreciate your thorough research, TTT. Seriously. I don't like doing it myself actually if it's too hard.
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Post by mckinley412 on May 29, 2018 22:02:59 GMT -5
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 29, 2018 22:26:34 GMT -5
Thain, I disagree with this information found on the city of Muleshoe website - history: “Named after the nearby Muleshoe ranch (founded in 1877 by Civil War veteran Henry Black), the town became the county seat and quickly entered a period of expansion.” The writer has confused the founding date of the Muleshoe ranch in Stephens County, TX, with the Muleshoe ranch in Bailey County.
“The Muleshoe Ranch was established in 1878 by Henry Black and his family in Northeastern Stephens County along the banks of the Clear Fork of the Brazos River. This ranch is home to horned Hereford and Angus cattle. Wildlife on the ranch includes whitetail deer, wild turkey and Bobwhite quail. Currently, the ranch is owned and operated by the 5th generation.“
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Post by mckinley412 on May 30, 2018 16:11:09 GMT -5
I see what you mean. Someone should call them and either point that out or ask them to explain. Maybe there wasn't a ranch there before 1881 but maybe there was. I mean come on, that was the Panhandle, man. Cows everywhere. The Panhandle Association was formed because of Billy the Kid and others like him. Furthermore, there is plenty of history that says Billy worked on ranches. He wasn't just riding around getting shot at all the time. tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/anp02
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Post by wannabe12 on May 31, 2018 20:52:24 GMT -5
Thain,
If I recall correctly, when Brushy first came out with his claim, many old timers who lived in Texas said the same about Buffalo Gap in newspaper articles, that it didn't exist at the time Brushy claims he was born there. Whether he was talking about the land features as Buffalo Gap I don't know, but for sure a town by that name did not exist at that time.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 1, 2018 3:05:38 GMT -5
You are mistaken, many old timers did not say it didn't exist at the time Brushy said he was born. Do you really want to debate what was which county, what was which territory, what was which state or country? How would you describe a land that didn't have a name yet??
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Post by wannabe12 on Jun 1, 2018 6:48:50 GMT -5
Could he not have been referring to the fact that he was born in the place now called Buffalo Gap. As for the old timers I’ll find the Texas paper I saw the article in saying they don’t believe it existed.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 1, 2018 10:47:51 GMT -5
This is a great discussion and I am really enjoying following it, along with other recent developments. Sometimes I like to just read and stay out of it but in this case I have to suggest something, hopefully without causing the discussion to move in a completely different direction. Anyway, here goes.
Why in the world would an old man who wants to pretend to be Billy the Kid, sit around and make up so many things that disagree with the alleged history? He decides to claim he was born in the area of Buffalo Gap. Why? He could have picked a place much more believable. Why not say he was born in New York? Why claim Catherine was his half aunt rather than his mother? Why make up Adeline Dunn? Or Wild Henry? Or Billy Barlow for that matter? Why would he want to create all these made up characters when he could have used a more believable tale? Apparently, the naysayers think he was a confused old man or a chronic liar. I say, if he wasn't Billy The Kid he must have been pretty much a raving idiot or insane. And the evidence is just not there that this was the case. All those supposed lies from him and yet all these decades later no one has proven he was a fraud? Doesn't make sense.
Now, please pardon the interruption and continue the discussion above. Very interesting stuff.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 1, 2018 11:23:17 GMT -5
mckinley412, "You are mistaken, many old timers did not say it didn't exist at the time Brushy said he was born. Do you really want to debate what was which county, what was which territory, what was which state or country? How would you describe a land that didn't have a name yet??"
No need for debate.
Excerpt: "In 1858 the Texas legislature established Taylor County, named for Alamo defenders Edward, James, and George Taylor, from lands formerly assigned to Bexar and Travis counties. Taylor County was attached to Travis and Bexar counties for judicial and administrative purposes until 1873, when these responsibilities were assigned to Eastland County. Partly due to the presence of Indians, the area remained largely unsettled. The Penatekas maintained their independence until the 1870s, when, after much bloodshed, they were defeated by the United States Army. The earliest group of European settlers in Taylor County were buffalo hunters and bone gatherers, who arrived during the 1870s. Sam Gholson, William C. Dunn, and William E. Cureton were among the early settlers. As more people moved into the area, the county was organized in 1878, and Buffalo Gap, a small settlement near the center of the county, became the seat of government."
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 2, 2018 14:54:05 GMT -5
“Alias Billy the Kid”, p. 76 “This was the man Brushy Bill called Billy Barlow, and here we strike the weakest link in the narrative. No references to such a man, so far, have turned up in the records, and Billy himself could not contribute much. He said he has worked on the MULESHOE RANCH with Barlow, but was doubtful that was the boy’s real name.”
Excerpts, “https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/apmbv” “The most famous Muleshoe Ranch, however, was the one that gave its name to the town of Muleshoe in Bailey County. Originally part of the vast XIT Ranch, the Muleshoe Ranch was begun in 1903, when Edward K. Warren and his son Charles, owners of the Warren Featherbone Company (a manufacturer of women's corsets in Three Oaks, Michigan), bought the YL Ranch, consisting of 40,000 acres, from J. L. Clark of Tennessee for $100,000.”
“The Muleshoe Ranch prospered when the Santa Fe's Clovis cutoff line was built through its property, increasing area land values and launching the town of Muleshoe at the site of the ranch's loading pens in 1913. “
It appears that Brushy Bill and Billy Barlow worked on the Muleshoe Ranch 20 years before it existed.
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