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Post by MissyS on Feb 24, 2018 23:29:28 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before? I ran across an old news article about Brushy Bill in the Orange County Register Sept 10, 1987, and in it is a statement by Bob Hefner, he stated in so many words that Brushy himself destroyed evidence that could have proven his identity, the reason was due to his fear that he may could have hung instead of getting a pardon, the link to that article I hope will come up? newspaperarchive.com/santa-ana-orange-county-register-sep-10-1987-p-66/After reading this I'm now wondering what evidence he may have destroyed and did he also alter or change evidence?
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Post by nmjames on Feb 25, 2018 12:02:16 GMT -5
MissyS
If you have the book Alias Billy The Kid by Sonnichsen and Morrison, on page 60 they state that three of Brushy's notebook had disappeared. Morrison had a brief look at them,, but Brushy would not allow him to make a real examination or to take many notes. After Brushy died, Morrison and Mrs. Roberts looked for them and was unable to find them. This may be what Bob Hefner was talking about.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 25, 2018 21:11:16 GMT -5
nmjames, Thank you for the reference to the book, I did have that book but loaned it out a good while back. The three notebooks may very well be the evidence he was refering to that Brushy destroyed?, but Hefner stated in the paper that when Brushy went to see Governor Mabry, he destroyed everything in his possession that might have tied him to the past. Was everything that tied him to the past just in those three notebooks? wasn't there evidence brought to the judge to look at? Interesting could the notebooks be anymore revealing than the interview tapes?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Feb 26, 2018 0:10:53 GMT -5
nmjames, Were those the 3 notebooks containing details of the Lincoln County War that Brushy had copied from "The Saga of Billy the Kid"?
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Post by MissyS on Feb 28, 2018 13:21:34 GMT -5
I'm guessing that if Brushy was afraid he may hang, and he had notebooks full of notes he copied from "The Saga of Billy the Kid" then it wouldn't make much sense for him to destroy them because he wouldn't have wanted the Gov. to believe he was Billy the Kid, by examined those notebooks close enough it may could be determined he copied notes from that book and then it could damage his credibility and that's what Brushy was hoping at the time. I'm wondering also if he answered questions incorrectly on purpose out of fear of hanging more so than being ill during that meeting?
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Post by clydec on Feb 28, 2018 22:05:45 GMT -5
Exactly what he did Missy. When he walked into that Governor's office and saw what was happening he knew if he answered their questions he was probably going to hang, so he played dumb.
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Post by MissyS on Mar 1, 2018 3:58:58 GMT -5
clydec, It would make perfect sense for Brushy to do that. I'm confused in the article Bob Hefner used the word "Destroyed", how did he know that Brushy destroyed evidence instead of hid it?, why would Morrison be looking for the notebooks later if they knew they were destroyed? Could it be possible it was other evidence besides the three notebooks that Hefner was refering to that was destroyed?
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Post by clydec on Mar 3, 2018 15:42:28 GMT -5
I think so. Morrison had read Brushy's notebooks and knew what was in them. It was something else,
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 4, 2018 23:32:40 GMT -5
Missy, you really should get on the Brushy Bill Group on Facebook. I like this proboards thing as a final organized record of info to get to, whereas Facebook spends too much time welcoming members which is good for what it is. But here we have threads that are somewhat organized. I can't always post pics here because of technical computer upload stuff which is Why I say go to the FB. Click on the group's "photos". You will se many photos of letters, I picked those out of thousands or something. Still waiting for Brett Hall to invite me to look at the Sonnichsen Files but Mr. Hall takes his time.....At least one of the letters I found talks about the destruction of evidence, a letter, plus a couple others, I found by going and knocking on doors and camping out and coming into people's work places, and digging thru boxes of crap even tho some will say I don't actually do real research/investigation. I do as much as I can afford and I share everything. But you know someone is gonna have to say I don't do real stuff but they are welcome to whatever I have shared. Poor Dewitt Travis and Mr. Gamble said there was an instrument that would prove he was Billy the Kid but they looked for it after he died and could not find it. This was in a letter that I found ,,,ehhh Jan. 26 1952 or something ... I guess from the stuff I found I would say that the DeWitt Travis family could have some items but highley unlikely. But there are other people that own stuff too and they wish not to be mentioned, they don't want the stuff to be mentioned....
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Post by MissyS on Sept 21, 2020 13:07:44 GMT -5
I read an interesting article about a lady who has knowledge about evidence that Brushy had in a plain cardboard box and he left it with a trusted friend, it was supposed to have contained his gun in it and other things and only to be opened if he got the pardon and the cardboard box was believed to be in Fort Worth? I’m wondering if Brushy’s notebooks is also in that cardboard box and he didn’t destroy it?
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Post by MissyS on Sept 21, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -5
It sounds like the person that has the cardboard box of Brushy’s was under instruction not to open it or others see the contents unless he got the pardon, and since he didn’t, and he passed then the person that he trusted it with may be carrying out his wishes, this was a trusted friend and the person may feel this is what Brushy may have wanted?, and if that’s the case then the box and the contends may not ever be reveled.
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Post by MissyS on Sept 21, 2020 18:10:31 GMT -5
I was able to find that article and it does state that the friend that originally held the cardboard box has passed and it’s believed to have been passed on to others?, the article is rather interesting there’s other information about Brushy’s gravesite and tombstone and more so you have to read through it to read about the box, I hope the box can be located, and some evidence is found in it. www.yourstephenvilletx.com/news/article_001d4674-99ca-5ddc-a89b-d8d039d56e0b.html
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Post by RonBk on Jul 1, 2021 17:05:05 GMT -5
I was able to find that article and it does state that the friend that originally held the cardboard box has passed and it’s believed to have been passed on to others?, the article is rather interesting there’s other information about Brushy’s gravesite and tombstone and more so you have to read through it to read about the box, I hope the box can be located, and some evidence is found in it. www.yourstephenvilletx.com/news/article_001d4674-99ca-5ddc-a89b-d8d039d56e0b.htmlUnfortunately the article seem to have wandered off from that page. Anyone know where it can be located?
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Post by MissyS on Jul 1, 2021 19:05:23 GMT -5
I was able to find that article and it does state that the friend that originally held the cardboard box has passed and it’s believed to have been passed on to others?, the article is rather interesting there’s other information about Brushy’s gravesite and tombstone and more so you have to read through it to read about the box, I hope the box can be located, and some evidence is found in it. www.yourstephenvilletx.com/news/article_001d4674-99ca-5ddc-a89b-d8d039d56e0b.htmlUnfortunately the article seem to have wandered off from that page. Anyone know where it can be located? I was able to track it down I believe this is it? I hope it works better www.yourstephenvilletx.com/article/20070904/news/309049963
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Post by devorerd on Jul 2, 2021 8:14:10 GMT -5
Interesting article, thanks for finding that. Carpenter does seem genuine (i.e. motives for tourism) so that does add to the creditability of the story and also creates more interest for visitors, so it kinda works both ways. If there really was a box, one would assume it would have been discovered by now, but who knows for sure, I'm mean revenue wise, both states are relying on these $$ and just like the Santa Fe ring when is comes to money things can get very strange.
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