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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 7, 2018 12:28:37 GMT -5
Hunter, My apologies for omitting some details. I don't think there are any images of Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson identified as Mary Adeline Dunn. That was William A. Tunstill's comment after viewing a photograph in the home of a Roberts relative. William A Tunstill, on page 35 of "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same", said the photo of Mary Adeline Dunn was on p. 38 of "Alias Billy the Kid". If he had a copy of the original 1955 edition, the image might have been on page 38. The image of Mary Adeline Dunn is on p. 31 of the 2014 reprint of "Alias Billy the Kid".
The image identified as Mary Adeline Dunn is found on p.2 of "Billy the Kid, an Autobiography", copyright 2014. Thanks
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Post by Hunter on Jul 7, 2018 17:11:51 GMT -5
Hunter, My apologies for omitting some details. I don't think there are any images of Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson identified as Mary Adeline Dunn. That was William A. Tunstill's comment after viewing a photograph in the home of a Roberts relative. William A Tunstill, on page 35 of "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same", said the photo of Mary Adeline Dunn was on p. 38 of "Alias Billy the Kid". If he had a copy of the original 1955 edition, the image might have been on page 38. The image of Mary Adeline Dunn is on p. 31 of the 2014 reprint of "Alias Billy the Kid". The image identified as Mary Adeline Dunn is found on p.2 of "Billy the Kid, an Autobiography", copyright 2014. Thanks Thank you, TTT. Oh, I don't have a copy of the 2014 "Alias Billy the Kid," just the original 1955 edition. (As shown previously) Although I do have the 2014 "Billy The Kid An Autobiography" by Daniel A. Edwards and I still can't find any photograph image of Mary Adeline Dunn anywhere in the book. I do have a paperback edition and not a hardback, perhaps that is why I don't have the photograph image of Mary Adeline Dunn on page 2 or for that matter, anywhere in the book?
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Post by Hunter on Jul 7, 2018 17:30:07 GMT -5
Is there any way you can show us the photo image of Mary Adeline Dunn, that you are stating is wrongly identified as her?
There is a photo image of Katherine Ann McCarty on page 5 in my 2014 paperback edition of Billy The Kid An Autobiography.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 7, 2018 19:38:35 GMT -5
Hunter,
“Is there any way you can show us the photo image of Mary Adeline Dunn, that you are stating is wrongly identified as her?Is there any way you can show us the photo image of Mary Adeline Dunn, that you are stating is wrongly identified as her?”
The image in ““Billy the Kid, an Autobiography” is the same image that is found in “Alias Billy the Kid”, with the same title and description.
RE: 2014 copyright paperback edition of ““Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”. The image of Mary Adeline Dunn, titled “Frontier Mother”, on page 2 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, appears in the text immediately following the sentence, “Yes, and I came with Mrs. Antrim.”, and immediately before the sentence, “You told the Coe boys you were born in New York?”
On page 5 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, there is a photograph identified as Katherine Ann Bonney, not Katherine Ann McCarty.
Could it be that the book was revised?
The only literature that mentions a picture of Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts, wife of Henry Oliver Roberts, is found in “Billy the Kid and Me were the Same”. The picture was in the possession of a granddaughter of Henry Oliver Roberts. The granddaughter identified the picture, hanging on the wall of her living room, as her grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. She showed the picture to William A. Tunstill. This was his response: “I looked for about a minute, and said I thought that was Brushy Bill’s mother. Oh, No was her reply. I told her the same picture was illustrated on page 58 in Sonnichsen’s book, “Alias Billy the Kid”. This is a true fact. This is the only major mistake Brushy Bill made in the entire book. I know. I checked every page and every line in the entire book.” Thanks
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Post by Hunter on Jul 7, 2018 21:52:55 GMT -5
Hunter, “Is there any way you can show us the photo image of Mary Adeline Dunn, that you are stating is wrongly identified as her?Is there any way you can show us the photo image of Mary Adeline Dunn, that you are stating is wrongly identified as her?” The image in ““Billy the Kid, an Autobiography” is the same image that is found in “Alias Billy the Kid”, with the same title and description. RE: 2014 copyright paperback edition of ““Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”. The image of Mary Adeline Dunn, titled “Frontier Mother”, on page 2 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, appears in the text immediately following the sentence, “Yes, and I came with Mrs. Antrim.”, and immediately before the sentence, “You told the Coe boys you were born in New York?” On page 5 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, there is a photograph identified as Katherine Ann Bonney, not Katherine Ann McCarty. Could it be that the book was revised? The only literature that mentions a picture of Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts, wife of Henry Oliver Roberts, is found in “Billy the Kid and Me were the Same”. The picture was in the possession of a granddaughter of Henry Oliver Roberts. The granddaughter identified the picture, hanging on the wall of her living room, as her grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. She showed the picture to William A. Tunstill. This was his response: “I looked for about a minute, and said I thought that was Brushy Bill’s mother. Oh, No was her reply. I told her the same picture was illustrated on page 58 in Sonnichsen’s book, “Alias Billy the Kid”. This is a true fact. This is the only major mistake Brushy Bill made in the entire book. I know. I checked every page and every line in the entire book.” Thanks My apologies to you ... I did find the photo images in the middle of the book (picture pages are not numbered) in my 1955 Alias Billy The Kid that shows KATHRINE ANN BONNEY - Brushy Bill said this woman was Billy the Kid's aunt and FRONTIER MOTHER, Mary Adeline Dunn, wife of J. H. Roberts and mother of William H. Roberts - who claimed he was Billy the Kid.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 7, 2018 22:04:44 GMT -5
RE: 2014 copyright paperback edition of ““Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”. The image of Mary Adeline Dunn, titled “Frontier Mother”, on page 2 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, appears in the text immediately following the sentence, “Yes, and I came with Mrs. Antrim.”, and immediately before the sentence, “You told the Coe boys you were born in New York?” On page 5 of “Billy the Kid, an Autobiography”, there is a photograph identified as Katherine Ann Bonney, not Katherine Ann McCarty. Could it be that the book was revised? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HUNTER WRITES: My 2014 paperback edition of "Billy the Kid, an Autobiography," by Daniel Edwards, on page 5 has the image of Katherine Ann McCarty. I don't know if this book has been revised. I have looked at every page in that book when I was looking for the image of his Mother, Mary Adeline Dunn. That image is not found in my book.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 7, 2018 22:21:11 GMT -5
By the way ... in W.C. Jameson book, Billy The Kid, Copyright 2005 the photo image is: Purported photograph of Catherine Bonney, Billy the Kid's aunt. (Author collection) And that is spelled with a C not a K. That shows the picture with her wearing nine buttons or round pins on her dress. It is different then the above image and I believe I've seen it in here posted somewhere.
In W.C. Jameson book "The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid," copyright 1998, I can't find any photo images of his mother, Mary or his aunt, Catherine.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 8, 2018 1:58:15 GMT -5
The famous pic of Catherine has been debunked. The Brushy mom pic has been debunked.
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Post by Hunter on Jul 8, 2018 13:07:16 GMT -5
The famous pic of Catherine has been debunked. The Brushy mom pic has been debunked. Thank you Mckinley. I did not know that and it's interesting.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 8, 2018 15:53:49 GMT -5
The famous pic of Catherine has been debunked. The Brushy mom pic has been debunked. If we believe William A Tunstill correctly identified the photograph of Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson, hanging on the living room wall in the home of Henry Oliver Roberts's granddaughter, as the same photograph represented as Mary Adeline Dunn in "Alias Billy the Kid", that means that Brushy Bill said that the photo of his real mother, Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson, was a photo of his fictional mother, Mary Adeline Dunn.
Tunstill deserves credit for identifying Henry Oliver Roberts as the father of Martha Heath. Census records, and the death certificate of Martha Heath, prove that he was correct. Tunstill corresponded with descendants of Martha Roberts Heath.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 9, 2018 23:13:50 GMT -5
It means that Brushy said Mary was his mother. It doesn't mean that he looked at a photo and identified the wrong lady as his mother. Normally identified might mean saw a photo but I just can't say that he is wrong yet because that isn't actually what identify means for a start. The authors did make mistakes when putting this book together.
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Post by 44colt on Aug 3, 2018 19:18:07 GMT -5
Greetings Brushy Bill Board, I can clarify some things here. As many of you know, we continue to do new research. In addition, for the past six months or longer I have been working with Cold West Investigations which is a group of retired law enforcement, detectives, researchers, and investigators. You can check it out at you want at www.ColdWest.com (forgive me Wayne for the plug). I can tell you a few things on this topic and give you some updates. First, as we continue to discover new sources of information and previously undiscovered University archives (some found by Thain Timmeburg and others) it has become clear that 1.) Brushy's death caught everyone off guard which meant that in 1955 value judgements had to be made by Morrison and Sonnichsen about what to include in their book regarding Brushy's history. 2.) Governor Mabry seems to have intentionally fabricated the tragic scene at his office and subsequently destroyed the original legal brief provided by Morrison. Mabry was the BROTHER IN LAW to Walter Noble Burns and was not unbiased. and 3. Morrison and Brushy were making a legitimate attempt to secure a pardon. It was not a media stunt or a fraud on their part. One of the most compelling evidences for this is that after the Governor pulled his stunt, Morrison actively sought to rebuild his brief to present to the next Governor that would take office January 1 and he continued to collect hard evidence to this purpose. For his part, Mabry destroyed the original. Also, Harry S. Truman PERSONALLY corresponded with Morrison and would have pardoned Brushy. You have already heard the quote about "the most satisfactory arrangement of evidence I have ever seen". Morrison, with his supreme ethics, kept it within the proper venue, which was the State of New Mexico otherwise we would have a very different history today. REGARDING THE PHOTO. That photo is clearly Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. Morrison included in his book likely because at some point Brushy called her "mother" and Morrison put 2+2 together and thought that was Mary Adeline Dunn. However, this was in the very early correspondence/ meeting with Morrison when he was pretending to be Ollie and before Brushy "came clean" and they never again revisited the genealogy as they were busy gathering affidavits and evidence from living witnesses from that point forward. I originally included it in my book because it was in Morrison's book and wanted my research to come alongside of his without detracting from it. Once it was clear from research that was not Mary Adeline Dunn, it was removed from my book. REGARDING CATHERINE BONNEY. She never existed. Yes, there was a Catherine Antrim / Catherine McCarty but she was never married to a Bonney and there was no Bonney. You will never find her or her supposed husband. Brushy told Morrison at the end on his death bed that BONNEY was his outlaw name given to him by Belle Starr. It was very important to him that he straighten everything out once and for all and he intended to....but he died. That little nugget that Bonney was his outlaw name was Brushy trying to once and for all spill the beans to Morrison before he died, but it was too late. He ran out of time. I'll close with this. This case is an onion with more layers than we even realize. Cold West is investigating the Murders of Albert and Henry Fountain, J. Frank Dalton, and a whole bunch of other things like what happened to the mummy of John Wilkes Booth, possibly aka John St. Helen. There are a lot of threads that tie this together and there may very well have been a legitimate "Knights of the Golden Circle"...like the NY Times said their was on April 5, 1960 www.nytimes.com/1860/04/05/archives/the-knights-of-the-golden-circle.html and there may have been a conspiracy to start a second Civil War that was funded in part by the James gang..or there may not have been. We have to follow the evidence where it leads. Just a little example....Brushy said that Jesse James was in Lincoln. Did you know there is evidence with the US Secret Service that Jesse and Billy the Kid were in on a counterfeit ring in Lincoln? There is. Where are all the historians that say Jesse never went to Lincoln on that little point? I guess sometimes you need professional investigators to uncover real evidence. There is a lot more that is coming out so hang on to your hats. Finally, I can tell you definitively and positively that there is no evidence of fraud whatsoever in regards to William V. Morrison's handling of the Brushy Bill Roberts matter. It was a legitimate attempt to get a pardon and that's just all there is to it.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 4, 2018 11:03:41 GMT -5
44colt, Searching for the truth is an admirable endeavor.
Can you cite credible evidence or records showing that the US Secret Service were aware that Jesse and Billy the Kid were in on a counterfeit ring in Lincoln? Thanks
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Post by 44colt on Aug 4, 2018 15:41:13 GMT -5
44colt, Searching for the truth is an admirable endeavor. Can you cite credible evidence or records showing that the US Secret Service were aware that Jesse and Billy the Kid were in on a counterfeit ring in Lincoln? Thanks
Its a long story but a lot of the information (not all) on the investigation done by Steve Sederwall/ Cold West is in W.C. Jameson's book "Cold Case" that was published by Pequot Press. Short story is that they were using cattle to launder counterfeit money.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 4, 2018 19:05:30 GMT -5
"Its a long story but a lot of the information (not all) on the investigation done by Steve Sederwall/ Cold West is in W.C. Jameson's book "Cold Case" that was published by Pequot Press. Short story is that they were using cattle to launder counterfeit money."
Can you cite credible evidence or records that show the US Secret Service was aware that Jesse and Billy the Kid were in on a counterfeit ring in Lincoln? Thanks,
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