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Post by frenchy on Sept 25, 2010 20:07:42 GMT -5
By null at 2010-09-25 Just have a little fun
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Post by db on Oct 7, 2010 15:57:18 GMT -5
what about this one ? theellisoncollection.com/gallery.php?gid=85while it definitely looks like C.Bowdre, I'm not sure about the others at all... I mean....maybe. anyway, I couldn't find a mention of this anywhere on this forum and wanted to know what people thought of it. enjoy !
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 9, 2010 13:56:41 GMT -5
Hi db, and thanks for posting that link. I've looked at that photo many times and I have to say there is a strong resemblance to Billy and Jesse and Charlie Bowdre. I'm not so sure about Doc Holliday. But my real problem with the photo is the stature of the individuals. Everybody looks at faces and they don't often consider the whole person. We know Billy was around 5' 8" tall and I've read different stories about Jesse James. They say he was also about 5' 8" but other sources say he was 6 ft. or more. And there are photos of Jesse with Frank where Jesse is obviously the taller of the two. The problem is, Jesse in this photo is shorter than Billy and Bowdre is practically a midget. Then there is another problem. Jesse looks a great deal like the photo of a very young Jesse but not much like he appeared in other photos taken in the last few years of his life. Jesse just looks way too young for this photo to have been taken in 1879.
Maybe there are explanations for all this, but so far, my opinion is the photo is not who it is claimed to be.
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Post by kidcanuck on Feb 21, 2011 11:53:17 GMT -5
i don't see resemblances. bowdre's facial looks to me are completely different. billy hasn't been proven other than the tintype that there are any other photos of him, unless brushy is indeed billy. doc again looks completly different. the only one to me that has any resemblance is jesse, but who knows lol.
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Post by jason on Apr 1, 2011 2:13:48 GMT -5
Is it possible that these four individuals are four of the James Gang? Maybe Frank,Jesse,Robert Ford,and Clell Miller.
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Post by jason on Apr 1, 2011 2:55:30 GMT -5
I suppose the first person could be Billy and the taller one does have similarities to Doc Holliday and he was known to stand 5'10"- 6ft. The other two I don't know. I do however find it hard to believe that three of the most famous outlaws in history would just so happen to have a photograph taken together,but I guess you never know it could be possible.
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Post by searcher64 on Nov 8, 2011 23:57:58 GMT -5
i understand that brushy told of riding with the james', and it came out at some time by several of james' associates, in unrelated tellings, that bonney indeed did briefly ride with them.
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 11, 2011 15:13:22 GMT -5
btw, this appears to be a mirror image, and when reversed, my comparison shows a solid match to billy, and an even better match to doc holliday. i didn't test the 3rd fellow, he didn't seem to look like jesse james, i couldn't find a photo of james i liked for the comparison. the fourth fellow definitely didn't match the accepted photo of bowdre. i tried to match that strange narrow elongated head to that of morgan earp, but no match...
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 11, 2011 15:33:27 GMT -5
brushy were here, he would've looked at the photo and immediately had an explanation :0]
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 18, 2011 19:17:57 GMT -5
marked in antique writing on back 'xmas 1881- el gabacho, santo del norte de la navidad' provenance iffy. could be him... he's older here than in frenchy's photo, detail not near as crisp... HAPPY HOLLIDAY, DOC! as the season of goodwill arrives and we EXHUME that old spirit again, may you receive the PARDON of your fellow man for your crimes. and, may we give to and receive from each other simply that which brushy wanted for us all; that is, our earnest effort to unearth and record for posterity a fuller, truer history... +=(] : 0)>}~~~ Attachments:
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 31, 2011 15:58:44 GMT -5
someone above said bob ford... this isn't a comparison, i don't have him in the right position to compare accurately. but the guy whom ellison claims is james could be ford. he was known to fill deputy positions in that general area, not long after this wouldve been taken at age 18 if it were him. how tall a guy was ford? this guy here is 5'6 or7 perhaps, if 2nd guy is doc, which certainly seems the case in comparison. attached is a known photo of ford... 4th guy isn't bowdre or morgan earp, has a much lower right ear lobe than the left, long narrow face and is about 5'5...? Attachments:
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 31, 2011 17:07:03 GMT -5
sorry to be killing you guys again posting, this couldnt wait. you know the fellow who apparently found sallie chisum's photo collection in oregon? they're intriguing and certainly historical, but i took exception to SOME of his interpretations, including one he claimed was btk. something also didn't look right about his 'dick brewer.' curious, i found it didn't match the known DB in my comparison. but he looked ultra-familiar. i woke up this morning and said to myself 'uh yeah, its brushy.' i plugged it into the comparison mill. long story short, his 'dick brewer' is actually BILLY THE KID! happy birthday brushy. Attachments:
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Post by searcher64 on Jan 6, 2012 16:50:46 GMT -5
here it is flipped for correct orientation, with brushy at ft. sumner 1950 superimposed..... Attachments:
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Post by brianthedude on Jan 27, 2012 19:27:19 GMT -5
Hmm... that's interesting, but the ears don't look right to me. They seem way too small and folded back to be BTK and/or Brushy. I'm curious about how your photo analysis process works -- would you be willing to give a brief overview? And does it account for variables such as lens distortion? It'd be interesting to see how it dealt with images such as those in this chart of headshots of the same woman, taken with different focal length lenses: www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/stepheneastwood-tile1.jpg
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Post by searcher64 on Jan 31, 2012 15:58:49 GMT -5
thanks for the post. there are several points here i'd like to address with you bit by bit when i have time...just got back in town to do 4-12's at work. btw i've been toying with the graphics on your link with interesting results. i honestly hadn't worked in lens related factors... thanks more to follow
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