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Post by sushiadam on Jan 1, 2019 17:29:43 GMT -5
Very interesting Andy! If it's his grave and not just a coincidence then Joe Hines real first name could've been Leslie...
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Post by Sherry on Apr 29, 2020 20:46:50 GMT -5
We were always told we were related to a famous old west outlaw, but my grandma would get a twinkle in her eyes and smile, but she took it to her grave. I inherited at least 4 generations of letters and misc. Items. The two families were Carter/Roberts and Evans/Miley. I my grandma's grandpa is William H Roberts and looking at DOB I think it is possible his son William. I have pictures that resembles the pictures of Brushy the Bill Roberts. Older age and one with his wife. No solid proven document yet. My G Grandfather's sister Lula married Jesse James 1st cousin Luther James and for sure had a son Foy that married a girl Jessie and she was then Jessie James. I have letters from Jesse Evans and he was in Idaho at the time. I searched the address and it came back Jesse Green. They all seem to have AKAs. My grandfather has 2 official with seal birth certificates 3 months apart and signed and buried with a similar but different middle name. I am working on a solid familly history, but I'm not there yet and unsure if they're the same people as the outlaws
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Post by MissyS on Apr 29, 2020 23:01:43 GMT -5
We were always told we were related to a famous old west outlaw, but my grandma would get a twinkle in her eyes and smile, but she took it to her grave. I inherited at least 4 generations of letters and misc. Items. The two families were Carter/Roberts and Evans/Miley. I my grandma's grandpa is William H Roberts and looking at DOB I think it is possible his son William. I have pictures that resembles the pictures of Brushy the Bill Roberts. Older age and one with his wife. No solid proven document yet. My G Grandfather's sister Lula married Jesse James 1st cousin Luther James and for sure had a son Foy that married a girl Jessie and she was then Jessie James. I have letters from Jesse Evans and he was in Idaho at the time. I searched the address and it came back Jesse Green. They all seem to have AKAs. My grandfather has 2 official with seal birth certificates 3 months apart and signed and buried with a similar but different middle name. I am working on a solid familly history, but I'm not there yet and unsure if they're the same people as the outlaws Sherry, Thank You for sharing your amazing and very interesting family tree, please keep us informed when you find out more information.
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Post by Jason Evans on Mar 21, 2021 14:58:57 GMT -5
I have been looking for a family tree for Jesse Evans. I have a side by side comparison of myself when I was younger and Jesse Evans. There is definitely a strong resemblance.
jason.evans_40@yahoo.com.
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Post by RonBk on Mar 21, 2021 17:37:44 GMT -5
Why would you do a comparison between Jesse Evans and yourself? Are you a relative, if so please tell us more and post your comparison.
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 28, 2022 10:10:44 GMT -5
Resurrecting and rehashing an ancient question here, but has anyone ever seen / found ACTUAL records of 'Joe Hines' brother who died and left his estate? It's oft mentioned but never properly answered as far as I am aware. I'm interested in Hines and who he really was...even totally discounting Brushy, it would still be amazing if Hines was a genuine LCW survivor.
There's plenty of references ie in Brett Hall's book, but has any actual record to verify the Hines / Campbell story ever been dug up?
Surely one of the dedicated historians / genialogists on here can get immersed in the hunt and find something......
Thoughts?
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Post by cassandra jane on Jan 28, 2022 10:30:29 GMT -5
Resurrecting and rehashing an ancient question here, but has anyone ever seen / found ACTUAL records of 'Joe Hines' brother who died and left his estate? It's oft mentioned but never properly answered as far as I am aware. I'm interested in Hines and who he really was...even totally discounting Brushy, it would still be amazing if Hines was a genuine LCW survivor. There's plenty of references ie in Brett Hall's book, but has any actual record to verify the Hines / Campbell story ever been dug up? Surely one of the dedicated historians / genialogists on here can get immersed in the hunt and find something...... Thoughts? Armchair genealogist at your service. I love all that stuff.
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 28, 2022 11:41:12 GMT -5
He must have been in Lincoln during the troubles, he knew Jim McDaniels also and knew where he was. I dont think he was Jesse Evans but maybe Campbell. He has much credibility at least much more than Dalton
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 30, 2022 8:55:39 GMT -5
Exactly. Hines, independent of any Brushy link, is a fascinating character IF it can be proved who he was and that he was an LCW veteran. The story via Morrison of the brother in Minot must be able to be researched and verified.
Depending on the outcome of what is found the veracity of the link to Brushy could then be investigated.
Surely someone on here can get digging? I know some have already, it would be nice to finish the job.
Brett Hall states the North Dakota Bureau of Vital Statistics as having the record of Morgan Cambell;s death on the 2nd of April 1948, but I've never actually seen the record or any further info. Someone more capable than me could look into it? Does Brett still pop in here?
Joseph L Hines / Leslie Joseph Hines / Jesse R James / William Campbell...whoever he was, if he was in the LCW his backstory / traceability would be a goldmine on it's own, regardless of a Brushy tie-in.
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Post by RonBk on Jan 30, 2022 11:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 30, 2022 14:00:21 GMT -5
I've seen the pic but never seen the backstory.
A gpod place to start?
Someone on here must have some knowledge?
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Post by texas truth teller on Jan 30, 2022 14:32:00 GMT -5
Exactly. Hines, independent of any Brushy link, is a fascinating character IF it can be proved who he was and that he was an LCW veteran. The story via Morrison of the brother in Minot must be able to be researched and verified. Depending on the outcome of what is found the veracity of the linl to Brushy could then be inestigated. Surely someone on here can get digging? I know some have already, it would be nice to finish the job. Brett Hall states the North Dakota Bureau of Vital Statistics as having the record of Morgan Cambell;s death on the 2nd of April 1948, but I've never actually seen the record or any further info. Someone more capable than me could look into it? Does Brett still pop in here? Joseph L Hines / Leslie Joseph Hines / Jesse R James / William Campbell...whoever he was, if he was in the LCW his backstory / tracability would be a goldmine. Morrison does indicate on pages 3 & 4 that a brother of Joe Hines in North Dakota had passed away. Nothing about the location. If you really want to know if the claim in Brett Hall's book that Morgan Campbell died in 1948 is true, pay for a copy of the death certificate of the brother as identified by Brett Hall. www.health.nd.gov/vital/certified-copies-death-records/death-records-mailHow do I apply for a Death Record by Mail? Complete the death request application form. Include a check or money order made out to the "North Dakota Department of Health" for all required fees. Include primary or secondary forms of identification. Mail form, fees and identification to: Division of Vital Records 600 E. Boulevard Ave., Dept. 301 Bismarck, ND 58505
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 30, 2022 16:41:41 GMT -5
TTT, you strike me as someone who would have already done this?
I don't live in the US so I won't be able to follow it up anyway.
Surely someone on here can do it....if TTT hasn't already?
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Post by texas truth teller on Jan 30, 2022 17:59:59 GMT -5
TTT, you strike me as someone who would have already done this? I don't live in the US so I won't be able to follow it up anyway. Surely someone on here can do it....if TTT hasn't already? Nope. North Dakota death certificates, 1908 through 2007, are on line. There is no record of the death of Morgan Campbell in that time period anywhere in the state of North Dakota. There is no record of Morgan Campbell of any age in any U S census residing in North Dakota. Perhaps there is a reason Brent Hall did not include a photo copy in his book to support his claim.
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 31, 2022 2:51:11 GMT -5
I have looked online too and found nothing....I did question my own abilities mind, I'm not a 'pro' researcher.
It would appear strange the whole premise of a book(s) could hinge on something of which there is no proof?
Or that such important 'falsehoods' would be made?
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