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Post by kerry on Nov 23, 2020 23:04:57 GMT -5
Two men outside Maxwell's house mid-night July 1881...McKinley who was definitely there -his family claims shot BTK. The other who claims he was there -was shot and was BTK. Both men unknown to each other were totally left field from the day one narrative of Pat Garrett killing BTK inside Maxwell's house. Didn't Brushy ask Morrison to feel the bullet groove inside his mouth in support of his story?
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Post by Elwood on Nov 23, 2020 23:26:33 GMT -5
Two men outside Maxwell's house mid-night July 1881...McKinley who was definitely there -his family claims shot BTK. The other who claims he was there -was shot and was BTK. Both men unknown to each other were totally left field from the day one narrative of Pat Garrett killing BTK inside Maxwell's house. Didn't Brushy ask Morrison to feel the bullet groove inside his mouth in support of his story? Kip McKINNEY, right? Thomas Christopher “Kip” McKinney BIRTH 19 Mar 1856 Tarrant County, Texas, USA DEATH 21 Sep 1915 (aged 59) Carlsbad, Eddy County, New Mexico, USA BURIAL Carlsbad Cemetery Carlsbad, Eddy County, New Mexico
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 24, 2020 2:31:53 GMT -5
Leeb,
It seems to be a fairly common belief with some people that if a person lies or exaggerates about anything at all, that we must then assume that same person never ever tells the truth about anything else. But that belief is illogical at best.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 24, 2020 11:37:12 GMT -5
Two men outside Maxwell's house mid-night July 1881...McKinley who was definitely there -his family claims shot BTK. The other who claims he was there -was shot and was BTK. Both men unknown to each other were totally left field from the day one narrative of Pat Garrett killing BTK inside Maxwell's house. Didn't Brushy ask Morrison to feel the bullet groove inside his mouth in support of his story? Nope. "Alias Billy the Kid", original edition Page 6 "One of their bullets struck me in the lower jaw, taking out a tooth as it passed through my mouth. He displayed a depression in his jaw - he had no teeth and had never worn a denture. "
Page 5. "Here's one I never took out. You can feel it. Right here. The slug entered just inside my right knee, going downward and lodging in my calf muscle." (Hard to visualize the positions of the shooter and the victim. Sounds similar to the path if a pistol accidentally discharged as it was removed from a holster.)
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Post by leeb on Nov 24, 2020 14:02:31 GMT -5
Leeb, It seems to be a fairly common belief with some people that if a person lies or exaggerates about anything at all, that we must then assume that same person never ever tells the truth about anything else. But that belief is illogical at best. don't sit on the fence Wayne, do you believe the shoot out jaw scenario??
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 24, 2020 14:47:03 GMT -5
Leeb, It seems to be a fairly common belief with some people that if a person lies or exaggerates about anything at all, that we must then assume that same person never ever tells the truth about anything else. But that belief is illogical at best. don't sit on the fence Wayne, do you believe the shoot out jaw scenario?? Brushy was tough as nails - first a bullet struck his jaw and knocked a tooth out; then he was struck in the back of his left shoulder as he started over the back fence; followed by a third short across the top of his head. That shot knocked him out, and he stumbled into the gallery of an adobe. Page 49 of Alias Billy the Kid.
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 25, 2020 14:42:51 GMT -5
Leeb,
To answer your question.
I do not believe he got hit in the jaw by a bullet that went through his cheek, knocked out a tooth and then exited his mouth and somehow left no scar. No. I've said before that this is either "made up" or "an exaggeration". I'm not "sitting on the fence" on that issue. However, my recent post was in response to this assertion made by you:
"I'm glad you finally realised that everything that he was coerced into saying by Morrison was completely fabricated"
It seems you were saying that because I didn't believe the shot through the mouth story that I therefore had somehow admitted that "everything" Brushy said was all fabricated and coerced. That assertion is nonsensical, ridiculous and illogical. We all know people who lie and/or exaggerate. Take the legendary "Buffalo Bill" for example. Do you think every detail of his shows were based on true fact? If you do then I've got a great deal for you on the Brooklyn Bridge. We've known newscasters who fabricate stories about being in harms way in war zones. Why? To sell themselves to the public as being more than they really were. Must we then assume that Buffalo Bill of wild west show fame wasn't really William F. Cody or that the Brian Williams we watched on TV was actually someone else using a fake identity? Of course not. As I said, that would be illogical.
And so it is illogical to assume that because Brushy obviously included some lies and exaggerations in his interviews with Morrison that he then could not be telling the truth about his identity as Billy The Kid.
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Post by mckinley412 on Nov 26, 2020 10:53:49 GMT -5
plus he said how he got the mouth wound and head wound to Henry J. Walker
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Post by Jeffy Dolmer The Ringer on Nov 8, 2021 2:28:07 GMT -5
The most significant wound was caused by the bullet deflecting off the rifle that he had picked up from beside Sheriff Brady....the bullet travElled down the outside of BTK's leg above the knee and was known to have never been removed. Brushy had the same wound and the bullet to prove it according to Morrison who said he could feel the bullet under the skin....that bullet today would still be with Brushy...such a unusual wound could not be imitated. Morrison also felt along Brushy's jaw where teeth had been shot out in his version of the Maxwell shootout... Actually, the hip wound he suffered when they were retrieving the guns off of Brady after they shot him was a flesh wound that passed through his hip and according to brushy, struck Fred Waite in the leg. The one where the slug was still present behind his knee was according to Brushy from a different fight altogether.
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Post by Jeffy Dolmer The Ringer on Nov 8, 2021 2:32:13 GMT -5
Actually Billy was shot in the thigh and not the hip. He was with French and not Waite when he took his Winchester rifle back from Brady's corpse. Not guns but a rifle.
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Post by kerry on Nov 8, 2021 2:53:25 GMT -5
Actually Billy was shot in the thigh and not the hip. He was with French and not Waite when he took his Winchester rifle back from Brady's corpse. Not guns but a rifle. [br It was pointed out at the time I was wrong here...this was the wound the doctor put the silk hankerchief through ? I think Big Jim provided such a big target that he was hit riding out of town at some distance - Brady and his deputies being armed with rifles ...
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Post by RonBk on Nov 8, 2021 4:37:31 GMT -5
That will be a most interesting aspect to investigate when Brushy is exhumed, besides the DNA stuff. If a bullet was lodged in his body it should still be there in the grave with Brushys remains. The bullet could possibly provide more information, such as caliber and age of the bullet? Perhaps it could even be matched to a specific gun?
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Post by Willy the Kid on Nov 30, 2021 11:15:03 GMT -5
What about using ground penetrating radar on Brushy's grave? This would bypass exhumation paperwork and confirm the bullet in his leg as compared to Billy's. Is this possible?
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Post by william on Dec 1, 2021 14:57:45 GMT -5
Does anyone think the Ground Penetrating Radar on Brushy Bill's grave is feasible?
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Post by Katherine_1117 on May 30, 2023 22:00:56 GMT -5
My questions is the following. We have his supposed body in Hamilton, Tx and his mother’s body in N.M. Why hasn’t there been any DNA test done as of yet? I’m sure his family will not oppose if he is really “The Kid”, right? I mean, let’s put all the cards on the table once and for all. It’s past due time.
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