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Post by MissyS on Jun 8, 2015 20:05:18 GMT -5
I'm wondering if after the shoot out with Pat Garrett and Billy/ Brushy resulting in a shot to his jaw that Garrett had to have realized the real Billy got away, and if Garrett had tried to hunt for Billy/Brushy later? After the shooting Brushy said he spent two yrs. in Mexico and then came to Texas, would be around 1883 or so?, at close to this time Pat Garrett was said to have joined a troop of Texas Rangers, why would Garrett do this if he had a ranch in New Mexico? , he wasn't with the Texas Rangers long because in 1885 he returned to his ranch in New Mexico, did he do this after he realized Billy/ Brushy had possibly left the area of Texas and couldn't locate him there? In sometime after running for sheriff he returned to Texas and around 1895 runs into Billy Wilson in Uvalde, Wilson was living in a nearby town of Sanderson with A wife and child, the story goes that Garrett seen he had settled down and keeping out of trouble and promises to use his authority and help get him a pardon, could it also have been a promise of a pardon in exchange for information of the whereabouts of Billy The Kid? This is just an idea, or thought, and the possibility of Garrett looking for Billy after the shooting is just a theory, I haven't researched it in depth to do this one would have to research where exactly history places each and when, but I do believe there may be some documented history that shows Garrett being in Texas off and on and was appointed Customs Collector in El Paso TX. and Brushy had at a time been said to have been in or near there as well? I also wonder if Garrett had the book written about Billy The Kid with the descrepencies was to draw Billy out of hiding?, thinking Billy would read the book wherever he was and come forward to contest the book? There was also a story about Billy's brother/cousin Joe Antrim saying he was going to get even with Garrett for killing his brother, and Garrett made a visit to Colorado to speak with Antrim, the story was that after a brief talk Garrett and him shook hands and he left on good terms, if this is true, could Garrett have told him he didn't really kill his brother?,or did Garrett pay him a visit to find out information on Billy's whereabouts? Garrett's actions after the shooting could very well be just coinsidence? but either way the two of them could easily have crossed paths in Texas.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 6, 2016 6:32:16 GMT -5
I think there's a good chance Garrett did tell Joe Antrim he didn't kill Billy. I guess nobody could ever say for sure who killed Garrett so maybe Brushy had to go shoot him because Garrett wouldn't stop looking or so Brushy could sleep at night;)
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Post by kerry on Feb 8, 2020 18:17:35 GMT -5
Soon after BTK's alledged death...Pat Garrett had to pay a very quick visit to Fort Sumner because he was spooked by a bogus newspaper report claiming to have Billy's trigger finger ..Pat had to see for himself the grave was undisturbed . Brushy had to stay quiet for two reasons that applied throughout his long life -especially after Pat was killed...Brushy was always in the US -not Mexico and most importantly...he had a son born in the Old Fort for whom Pat Garrett was godfather and presumably protector..any indescretionary custle rustling in Texas was quickly scotched by the sudden appearance of Garrett..
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Post by Sam Fraser on Feb 9, 2020 11:42:43 GMT -5
I think there's a good chance Garrett did tell Joe Antrim he didn't kill Billy. I guess nobody could ever say for sure who killed Garrett so maybe Brushy had to go shoot him because Garrett wouldn't stop looking or so Brushy could sleep at night;) That was a guess that I had once when I believed Brushy was Billy 100%. That he finally got Pat Garrett years later.
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 9, 2020 12:37:54 GMT -5
I think there's a good chance Garrett did tell Joe Antrim he didn't kill Billy. I guess nobody could ever say for sure who killed Garrett so maybe Brushy had to go shoot him because Garrett wouldn't stop looking or so Brushy could sleep at night;) That was a guess that I had once when I believed Brushy was Billy 100%. That he finally got Pat Garrett years later. I like this theory a lot. Anything is possible at this point since the murder of Garrett is still a mystery today 😀
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Post by clydec on Feb 9, 2020 17:00:33 GMT -5
It is not a mystery anymore. Garrett was shot and killed by Todd Bailey on the orders from Oliver Lee. Brushy/Billy was not there that day, although he may have known it was going down.
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 9, 2020 17:33:22 GMT -5
It is not a mystery anymore. Garrett was shot and killed by Todd Bailey on the orders from Oliver Lee. Brushy/Billy was not there that day, although he may have known it was going down. Ive read that somewhere but dont remember in witch book it was, I didnt know it was now a fact, thanks for clearing that for me
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 9, 2020 17:40:16 GMT -5
Dale Tunnel talk about it in last book if Im not mistaken
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Post by kerry on Feb 9, 2020 22:54:57 GMT -5
I think that if Brushy ever heard of any threat to Pat Garrett -he would have taken action to protect him...it was John Miller who got shot by Garrett after being deliberately sent in harm's way -he came from Texas...maybe he was a sibling of Jim Miller or some other relative ? Regardless Jim would have charged at least 2000 dollars to kill Pat -less than the cost of Breasel's goats? BTK may have threatened Chisum Garrett Mason and even his friend Jessie Evans-all of whom deserved it but he just laughed it off ...Olinger was Dolan's chief executioner who had killed a friend by feigning to shake hands then holding the man's gun hand while shooting him with his left-his killing was a repraisal from the Lincoln County War-and something Olinger intended to do to Billy while Pat was out of town. I believe Pat Garrett was godfather and protector to Billy's son born in Fort Sumner and for this reason Brushy would have stayed silent forever but Evans betrayed his whereabouts and the idea of a pardon again lured BTK out of hiding,,
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Post by kerry on Jan 25, 2021 20:07:41 GMT -5
I want to thankyou Wayne for such a well managed site that can accept all views - despite being a Brushy pro -site....Leeb is a real blessing giving a counter -balance right or wrong to all us believers.I can tell you that views that contradict the basic narrative on other sites disappear without trace due to an agenda management that makes your site quite enlivening...old narratives are a foreign land where they did things differently.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 25, 2021 20:19:01 GMT -5
Kerry, Thank you so much for the comments. It took more than ten years for someone to finally convince me I needed to disable their account and ban them and I did so after great deliberation. It was becoming quite apparent that this person was monopolizing the site with genealogical ideas that were very far removed from anything verifiable which in turn was discouraging others from participating.
Believe me, I have no problem when someone expresses an opinion that differs from my own so long as they express it courteously without an excess of sarcasm. That's the philosophy that motivated me to start this board in the first place and it will continue to be the philosophy. Thanks for your participation and again, your comments.
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Post by Jeffy Dolmer The Ringer on Mar 17, 2022 12:40:56 GMT -5
I think that if Brushy ever heard of any threat to Pat Garrett -he would have taken action to protect him...it was John Miller who got shot by Garrett after being deliberately sent in harm's way -he came from Texas...maybe he was a sibling of Jim Miller or some other relative ? Regardless Jim would have charged at least 2000 dollars to kill Pat -less than the cost of Breasel's goats? BTK may have threatened Chisum Garrett Mason and even his friend Jessie Evans-all of whom deserved it but he just laughed it off ...Olinger was Dolan's chief executioner who had killed a friend by feigning to shake hands then holding the man's gun hand while shooting him with his left-his killing was a repraisal from the Lincoln County War-and something Olinger intended to do to Billy while Pat was out of town. I believe Pat Garrett was godfather and protector to Billy's son born in Fort Sumner and for this reason Brushy would have stayed silent forever but Evans betrayed his whereabouts and the idea of a pardon again lured BTK out of hiding,, Brushy would of protected Pat Garrett? Brushy was really scared when he met the NM Gov, because there were people asking him questions. I really doubt he would of been brave enough to protect a guy who he claimed would rather climb a tree and tell a lie then be on the ground telling the truth.
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Post by tboor74 on Mar 18, 2022 10:42:45 GMT -5
Have, not of. Of does not make sense.
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