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Post by historysleuth on Mar 2, 2021 13:00:35 GMT -5
That is a very good point Mr. Wayne. That is quite the curious coincidence in some matters
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Post by RonBk on Mar 2, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -5
I wonder if this "Lee Martin" character in the Bronco video recording could have been Brushy after all. Wouldnt it be possible that Brushy just used the name "Lee Martin" as an alias at the time? We do know Brushy did create lots of different identities throughout the years. Anyone have any more info on the Lee Martin fellow? Are there records of this guy anywhere, such as census records?
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Post by historysleuth on Mar 2, 2021 16:57:34 GMT -5
I’m still looking into Lee Martin but here is a photo of him. He’s the one in the middle according to my sources
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Post by historysleuth on Mar 2, 2021 16:59:43 GMT -5
Here’s his imbd bio.
Lee Martin, a true cowboy and Broncho rider, as well as having been a member of Buffalo Bill's Wild West show, had very little to do with the development of early filmmaking. He is mostly remembered for an early Edison Kinetoscope film, "Bucking Broncho" in which he starred with Frank Hammitt. Martin also starred in another Edison short, "Lasso Exhibition" which featured both him and Hammitt demonstrating lassoing. Other than this, Martin did not star in any other movies of any kind and remained a minor part in the filmmaking industry.
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Post by RonBk on Mar 3, 2021 1:11:28 GMT -5
View AttachmentI’m still looking into Lee Martin but here is a photo of him. He’s the one in the middle according to my sources Its generally a good thing to state your sources when making claims. If for some reason youre hindered to do so, then you should at least explain the reason for this. To just make claims like that "according to my sources" doesnt seem very credible.
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Post by also history sleuth on Mar 3, 2021 10:32:45 GMT -5
look this up. Angus McPhee, Lee Miller, Gus Uhl. you will find the photo I'm talking about.
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Post by also History sleuth on Mar 3, 2021 10:34:04 GMT -5
my bad I didn't give a source, I will take this into consideration and ill work on myself from the help of your insight. thank you
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Post by RonBk on Mar 3, 2021 15:02:00 GMT -5
Thats cool. And im not perfect myself either. About that photo, if that guy is in fact Lee Martin then we can certainly agree that Brushy is not the same individual. At least from what I can see that fellow doesnt look anything like Brushy. But first we must establish that it is in fact Lee Martin. So how about those sources now you were talking about?
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Post by RonBk on Mar 3, 2021 15:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by also history sleuth on Mar 3, 2021 16:03:20 GMT -5
thank you, that is the correct source.
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Post by RonBk on Mar 3, 2021 16:12:02 GMT -5
The source seems credible. I guess we can rule out the bronco video recording as Brushy-related evidence.
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Post by RonBk on Mar 4, 2021 14:34:28 GMT -5
Here is a photo of Buffalo Bill c. 1900 with some of his riders. The guy second from right could be Brushy. This website www.curtrich.com/hats2.html talks about the various types of western hats and in reference to this photo says "Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, 1900-Bill's hat has almost a modern cattleman style to it. But his troopers sport open crowns or Montana Peak hats and relatively flat brims." As you look at the photos that appears correct except for the Brushy looking guy second from the right. He is wearing a "Boss of the Plains" hat which was common with Texans, including the Texas Rangers. Now compare the hat this Buffalo Bill rider is wearing the hat Brushy is wearing in the background photo on this forum. Same style hat. Likewise compare the hat in the Billy the Kid Tintype with the hat the Rough Rider Bronc Buster is wearing. Both high crown hats common in Texas and that Bronc Rider is the only one wearing this style hat. The others are wearing "Montana Peak" hats (3 men on left) or a "Boss of the Plains" (one guy on right). www.flickr.com/photos/128163161@N04/15371370541/in/photostream/All very interesting. That guy second from right could very well be Brushy when you look at the nose and the lines that goes from the nose downward. Also, isnt that a similar "Boss of the plains" style hat on the head of Billy in the alledged Chavez/Tunstall/Btk photo discussed in this thread: brushybill.proboards.com/thread/573/btk-jesse-evans-1873
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Post by RonBk on Mar 4, 2021 20:57:47 GMT -5
Here's the link to that video on Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucking_BronchoWhile this is not Brushy I do find the shirt to be of interest. Notice the design on the front of the shirt. It is similar to the shirt Brushy is wearing in the photo of him on horseback next to the wooden building (post up above). Also look at the the rider fourth from the left in the photo with Buffalo Bill. I'm not saying the shirts are identical but they are similar. Is that a coincidence? Was that type of shirt design wide spread and popular in the 1890's? I don't know, just observing. One possible explanation could be that it is the same shirt in both photos, and that Brushy obtained this shirt from the guy 4th from left in the Bufallo Bill photo. Another possibility is that its not the same shirt but rather one of several similar shirts that were given to Buffalo Bills riders. Either way it points in Brushys favor. Even if this cant be considered strong evidence on its own, I say its certainly contributes to the already massive body of evidence Brushy and Billy was the same person. Good work once again Wayne Land!
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